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Fodlan VS the USA
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The USA gets blitzed
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An 8-B character with Hypersonic speed would solo the entire real world without trying to hard, imagine a bunch of 7-C to 7-B characters with Massively Hypersonic+ speed. Fodlan has warriors stronger than the strongest nuclear bomb ever detonated. Javelins of Light range from hundreds of megatons to a couple Teratons of TNT. Fodlan stomps this so hard. Real world also doesn't have hax.
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idk whats stopping the USA from just nuking fodlans whole army? fe characters can die to normal swords just has much as they can die to spells. not to mention FE characters nat go that fast. if they could the whole story would be different. and the javelins only destroyed a town and there was STILL rubble left.
a nuke would obliterate anything
a nuke would obliterate anything
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1. The fact that they can move out of the blast range.
2. Make a CRT if you disagree with their speed and other ratings. Until then, they are that fast and strong.
3. A nuke is literally just City level here with some radiation damage. They'd tank it just fine and the only thing that'd be an issue is radiation.
2. Make a CRT if you disagree with their speed and other ratings. Until then, they are that fast and strong.
3. A nuke is literally just City level here with some radiation damage. They'd tank it just fine and the only thing that'd be an issue is radiation.
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@No Might, are you trolling?
Anyway, those "normal swords" are being wielded by characters who are easily superhuman. Also, Meteors were calculated at Town level and the Javelins of Light actually destroyed Landmasses to the point of them not appearing on the map anymore.
Also, Fire Emblem characters can dodge meteors, lightning bolts, and even Light as far as the Three Houses God Tiers are concerned. They can easily dodge the blast of a nuke + survive the impact given how they consistently tank much stronger blasts.
PS. FE cast can also withstand 4-B black holes
Anyway, those "normal swords" are being wielded by characters who are easily superhuman. Also, Meteors were calculated at Town level and the Javelins of Light actually destroyed Landmasses to the point of them not appearing on the map anymore.
Also, Fire Emblem characters can dodge meteors, lightning bolts, and even Light as far as the Three Houses God Tiers are concerned. They can easily dodge the blast of a nuke + survive the impact given how they consistently tank much stronger blasts.
PS.
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My problem with using gameplay mechanics to determine character's innate strengths and what they can survive is that it's... inconsistent.
Think about it like this. Pegasus Knights are weak to bows. Soldiers are not weak to bows. The only difference between a Pegasus Knight and a Soldier is the winged horse. So this begs the question... Why does shooting a horse kill the character?
Do Pegasus Knights merge with their horse so that they feel the same pain as the horse? Is the horse a part of their body? That can't be, because you can dismount in 3H. How does this work? Why does killing an animal result in the human being on top of it dying?
On top of that, why does a target you have to shoot upwards at do more damage with a bow? Literally gravity makes that an impossibility. Most games give a damage bonus for shooting downward at a target, and a damage penalty for shooting upwards at a target. How does this work? aaa my brain hurt
and metors in three houses arent even town level. we see them in gameplay and we see them getting catapulted
and we cant just pull out "oh gameplay mechanics" when i can say the same thing against the tanking black holes
Think about it like this. Pegasus Knights are weak to bows. Soldiers are not weak to bows. The only difference between a Pegasus Knight and a Soldier is the winged horse. So this begs the question... Why does shooting a horse kill the character?
Do Pegasus Knights merge with their horse so that they feel the same pain as the horse? Is the horse a part of their body? That can't be, because you can dismount in 3H. How does this work? Why does killing an animal result in the human being on top of it dying?
On top of that, why does a target you have to shoot upwards at do more damage with a bow? Literally gravity makes that an impossibility. Most games give a damage bonus for shooting downward at a target, and a damage penalty for shooting upwards at a target. How does this work? aaa my brain hurt
and metors in three houses arent even town level. we see them in gameplay and we see them getting catapulted
and we cant just pull out "oh gameplay mechanics" when i can say the same thing against the tanking black holes
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It's an outlier for the soldier's in that case, especially if this Dmitri has some solid scaling or feats that put him at mountain level. Same with any game character killed by fodder, it's likely just PIS or game mechanics, the latter of which we do not use for scaling. Anyway, if you really have more questions then it would be better to ask the Fire Emblem Supporters for more info as my own knowledge is rather shallow.
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Short answer: The US gets blitzed and AP stomped.
Long Answer:
Lets first start off with what each side has.
- 4018 known Nuclear Warheads that vary from Town Level, to City Level. Also has lots of fallout.
- Has 1.3kk million active duty military with 800k more in reserve. Everyone should be around Street Level and Supersonic due to possesing military grade guns.
- 328.2kk people currently in the US. Around 30% own guns, so thats another 98,460,000 people who are Street Level and Supersonic. (100,560,000 people in total)
- Has the biggest and most advanced military in the world. With thousands upon thousands of tanks, planes, etc.
Now lets look at Fodlan.
- Has 9 Javelins of Light (That we have seen) that are Mountain Level to Small Country Level+.
- We don't know the total population of Fodlan, but lets just assume its around 54kk, since that is 2/3s of Europe's population around the Medieval times.
- We can see in the cutscene prior to the timeskip that just a small portion of the Imperial army alone has tens of thousands of soldiers. Hubert states that they would come up short if facing the Church of Seiros alone. For a safe estimate, lets just say that Fodlan has around 360k soldiers. Each one of these soldiers are at least Town Level, and have Massively Hypersonic reactions. This isn't even including Illusion warriors, bandits, or agarthans.
- Fodlan has 8 Offensive Sacred Weapons and 3 Defensive ones. In adition to 11 Offensive Heroes Relics, and around 3 defensive. There are the same number of Dark Heroes relics, which should be just as strong. They also have the Sublime Sword of the Creator, and Dark Sword of the Creator. Both of these are Mountain Level to Small Country Level+. This isn't even including other weapons made by TWSITD (such as the Arrow of Indra, which are comparable to Heroes Relics.)
- There are 25 Students (excluding main lords), 11 Main members of the church (Excluding Rhea), 5 notable Empire members (Metodey, Ladislava, Randolph, Count Bergliez), 4 notable Kingdom members (Rodrigue, Gwendal, Miklan, Baron Dominic), 3 notable Alliance members (Judith, Acheron, Holst), 8 main members of TWSITD (excluding Thales), and 11 Heroes (excluding Nemesis). This is 67 people in total who are City Level+, and Massively Hypersonic+. The tens of hundreds of monsters in Fodlan aren't even accounted for here.
- As for the God Tiers, there is Byleth (Sothis-Fused), Claude, Dimitri, Edelgard, Jeritza, Umbral Beast, Thales, IO, Nemesis, Indech, and Macuil. This is 12 beings who are all Mountain Level to Small Country Level+, and FTL.
- Also Fodlan technically has 14 attempts thanks to Divine pulse.
Now we can begin:
In short, it will go like this. Much of the US army on the ground gets completely pulverized by Nemesis/Byleth, seeing how the Liberation army alone can raze entire towns/cities to the ground in a very short timeframe. Every bullet and missile can potentially be dodged by even fodder enemies. Lasers can be dodged by God Tiers. A barrage of Nukes could potentially be devastating to Fodlan's forces, but also devastating to the US forces. However, even Demonic Beasts could probably intercept them, and even fodder enemies could probably at least react to the missiles before they hit the ground. All planes and such get one shot by anyone with range, Fliers, Flying Demonic Beasts, or the IO. The only places where the US has an advantage is numbers, and a naval force. Even if Fodlan were to lose, they still have 14 attempts.
Long Answer:
Lets first start off with what each side has.
- 4018 known Nuclear Warheads that vary from Town Level, to City Level. Also has lots of fallout.
- Has 1.3kk million active duty military with 800k more in reserve. Everyone should be around Street Level and Supersonic due to possesing military grade guns.
- 328.2kk people currently in the US. Around 30% own guns, so thats another 98,460,000 people who are Street Level and Supersonic. (100,560,000 people in total)
- Has the biggest and most advanced military in the world. With thousands upon thousands of tanks, planes, etc.
Now lets look at Fodlan.
- Has 9 Javelins of Light (That we have seen) that are Mountain Level to Small Country Level+.
- We don't know the total population of Fodlan, but lets just assume its around 54kk, since that is 2/3s of Europe's population around the Medieval times.
- We can see in the cutscene prior to the timeskip that just a small portion of the Imperial army alone has tens of thousands of soldiers. Hubert states that they would come up short if facing the Church of Seiros alone. For a safe estimate, lets just say that Fodlan has around 360k soldiers. Each one of these soldiers are at least Town Level, and have Massively Hypersonic reactions. This isn't even including Illusion warriors, bandits, or agarthans.
- Fodlan has 8 Offensive Sacred Weapons and 3 Defensive ones. In adition to 11 Offensive Heroes Relics, and around 3 defensive. There are the same number of Dark Heroes relics, which should be just as strong. They also have the Sublime Sword of the Creator, and Dark Sword of the Creator. Both of these are Mountain Level to Small Country Level+. This isn't even including other weapons made by TWSITD (such as the Arrow of Indra, which are comparable to Heroes Relics.)
- There are 25 Students (excluding main lords), 11 Main members of the church (Excluding Rhea), 5 notable Empire members (Metodey, Ladislava, Randolph, Count Bergliez), 4 notable Kingdom members (Rodrigue, Gwendal, Miklan, Baron Dominic), 3 notable Alliance members (Judith, Acheron, Holst), 8 main members of TWSITD (excluding Thales), and 11 Heroes (excluding Nemesis). This is 67 people in total who are City Level+, and Massively Hypersonic+. The tens of hundreds of monsters in Fodlan aren't even accounted for here.
- As for the God Tiers, there is Byleth (Sothis-Fused), Claude, Dimitri, Edelgard, Jeritza, Umbral Beast, Thales, IO, Nemesis, Indech, and Macuil. This is 12 beings who are all Mountain Level to Small Country Level+, and FTL.
- Also Fodlan technically has 14 attempts thanks to Divine pulse.
Now we can begin:
In short, it will go like this. Much of the US army on the ground gets completely pulverized by Nemesis/Byleth, seeing how the Liberation army alone can raze entire towns/cities to the ground in a very short timeframe. Every bullet and missile can potentially be dodged by even fodder enemies. Lasers can be dodged by God Tiers. A barrage of Nukes could potentially be devastating to Fodlan's forces, but also devastating to the US forces. However, even Demonic Beasts could probably intercept them, and even fodder enemies could probably at least react to the missiles before they hit the ground. All planes and such get one shot by anyone with range, Fliers, Flying Demonic Beasts, or the IO. The only places where the US has an advantage is numbers, and a naval force. Even if Fodlan were to lose, they still have 14 attempts.
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First of all, Dimitri was literally on the ground wounded, and passed out. From there, I bet a group of town level soldiers can kill him. Had it been a Dimitri at full strength, he would've mowed them down like he did with Edelgard's soldiers.No Might said:
"Dimitri doesn't have solid feats"
- One shots waves of soldiers like nothing
- Killed Cornelia
- Killed Thales
- Killed Hegemon Edelgard with asistance.
"anyway if normal weapons can kill him i dont see how a nuke cant"
They are weapons wielded by strong beings. Not only that, its probably an inconsistency. I guess Future Trunks is only street level since he is just a guy with a sword. Or Thanos was overpowered and arrested by cops, so he is only human level. There was also a DBS character literally knocked out with chopsticks by Beerus, so they must be below average.
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The U.S is treated too much as a killing machine and is ignored how no president in the history of the US would have started with a nuclear bombardment on an innocent civillizatio. The only reason they nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki was as a last resort to try to stop the war from continuing, and considering how the cold war pushed it in the mind of the U.S public opinion that nuclear weapons shouldn't be used, the 1st thing they would do would NOT be a nuke.
Also, imagine the backlash is the government would do this. Expect a massive political scandal in a scale comparable to watergate. I would bet it would certainly result in the impeachment or attempts of impeachment of half the government officials in the charge of these acts.
In fact, even a standard convential war would result in massive backlash, besides the fact they would get destroyed, if Iraq and Afghanistan were anything to look at, the response wouldn't be pretty. I would bet money the response by the people and congress would be even worse than Iraq and Afghanistan because unlike those 2 wars, there is no sentiment of "defence of america from terrorists" after 9/11 which convinced some people the wars were justified. speaking of which, What the HECK would it's justification be for going to war with Fodlan??? that FE is getting too many fighters in smash?!>
Also, imagine the backlash is the government would do this. Expect a massive political scandal in a scale comparable to watergate. I would bet it would certainly result in the impeachment or attempts of impeachment of half the government officials in the charge of these acts.
In fact, even a standard convential war would result in massive backlash, besides the fact they would get destroyed, if Iraq and Afghanistan were anything to look at, the response wouldn't be pretty. I would bet money the response by the people and congress would be even worse than Iraq and Afghanistan because unlike those 2 wars, there is no sentiment of "defence of america from terrorists" after 9/11 which convinced some people the wars were justified. speaking of which, What the HECK would it's justification be for going to war with Fodlan??? that FE is getting too many fighters in smash?!>
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I know, I'm just saying it to prove my point that Fodlan stomps pretty hard. Also side note: weren't meteors in three houses calculated at City Level a while ago?Planck69 said:
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im not sure weather or not you are trolling or not , but im pretty sure that was Plot induced stupidy , that doesnt really count as a legit feat , its like saying arceus is only planet level because he almost died to a meator or that goku does not have planet level durabillty , because he died when frieza blew up earth in ROF , does not make sense and anyway you look at it , fodlan should easily have hypersonic+ characters , america doesnt even have supersonic+ characters and their nukes are city level at best and chances are team fodlan can easily dodge them , as they have hypersonic+ reaction and attack speeds ,even at their weakest and city level characters as well , fodlan stomps pretty hard here.No Might said:
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So the MCU 7-B's still stomps the USA???
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no future trunks is not street level because he has actual feats that put him above that
plot induced stupidity isnt a good argument. there is nothig to prove normal soldiers are at this level. if edelgard had country level attack why would she even need an army?
dimitri one shotting waves of soldiers dosent mean country level dude.
and the IO is stated to be a threat to fodlan WITH heer children not by herself and destroying a bunch of buildings is WAAY less then actually wiping the land off the map which i doubt was what seteth meant.
plot induced stupidity isnt a good argument. there is nothig to prove normal soldiers are at this level. if edelgard had country level attack why would she even need an army?
dimitri one shotting waves of soldiers dosent mean country level dude.
and the IO is stated to be a threat to fodlan WITH heer children not by herself and destroying a bunch of buildings is WAAY less then actually wiping the land off the map which i doubt was what seteth meant.
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also remember , that even if by some mircile , team america , drops such a huge nuke , that it literlly whipes everyone off gaurd and kills them all , byleth can use divine pulse and restart the battle , its not even a contest honestly , even with speed equal , this really is not that close.
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"plot induced stupidity isnt a good argument. there is nothig to prove normal soldiers are at this level."
Beating Demonic Beasts in numbers, regular enemies casting meteor, harming other beings that can tank meteor, can tank meteor. I'm pretty sure that there is plenty to prove that normal soldiers are this strong.
"if edelgard had country level attack why would she even need an army?"
She is vastly outnumbered, and she would have to contend with like 4 others on her tier.
"dimitri one shotting waves of soldiers dosent mean country level dude."
When did i ever say that its country level? I was just listing feats that further support his tier.
"and the IO is stated to be a threat to fodlan WITH heer children not by herself and destroying a bunch of buildings is WAAY less then actually wiping the land off the map which i doubt was what seteth meant."
Okay? they are still that tier due to the Javelins of Light. This is not the main reasoning, just supporting reasoning.
Beating Demonic Beasts in numbers, regular enemies casting meteor, harming other beings that can tank meteor, can tank meteor. I'm pretty sure that there is plenty to prove that normal soldiers are this strong.
"if edelgard had country level attack why would she even need an army?"
She is vastly outnumbered, and she would have to contend with like 4 others on her tier.
"dimitri one shotting waves of soldiers dosent mean country level dude."
When did i ever say that its country level? I was just listing feats that further support his tier.
"and the IO is stated to be a threat to fodlan WITH heer children not by herself and destroying a bunch of buildings is WAAY less then actually wiping the land off the map which i doubt was what seteth meant."
Okay? they are still that tier due to the Javelins of Light. This is not the main reasoning, just supporting reasoning.
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Divine pulse literally activates upon death. Once again, please make a QnA board or content revision thread with issues you have.No Might said:
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they dont beat demonic beasts by themselves, only in armies
no reason at all to assume metor is town level in three houses. we see metor in gameplay and its no impressive, we see it in cutcenes and they are just thrown in catpalts
divine pulse dosent activate on death. the sword literally didnt even hit her when she uses it the first time
the javelins cant even completly annhilate a town. there is STILL rubble left
no reason at all to assume metor is town level in three houses. we see metor in gameplay and its no impressive, we see it in cutcenes and they are just thrown in catpalts
divine pulse dosent activate on death. the sword literally didnt even hit her when she uses it the first time
the javelins cant even completly annhilate a town. there is STILL rubble left
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That myth is busted by now, atleast outside of America. Japan tried to surrender that's why the bombs were rushed.I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
Also, even by 1945s barbaric standards, calculating lives against each other was just unethical. If we assume for a moment that Japan really wouldn't have surrendered, which is really a stretch, then saying "rather killing 300.000 civilians
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That literally debunked nothing. America isn't just using nukes against people regardless of whether they're in a war or not on a whim. Even then, the soldiers are fast enough to just run out of the blast-zone when they see it falling. Also for the last time, make a CRT before continuing to say that they're regular warriors. You're making no progress trying to convince us otherwise.
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dude , the nukes wont even hit him , because of his insane reaction speeds , but even if they did , he can stop the flow of time and use divine pulse , like what he did when he nearly got killed by a bandit in the start of the game , also you really should not be debating the level of characters in a thread , when the level of these characters have already been calculated via legit scaling , if you want to make a fire emblem three houses revision thread and bring it to the experts on the series , then go and see how it goes.
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Half of your argument was the bombs were "unethical", I agree the bombs were unjustified. BUT the usage of the atomic bombs was done by the US for that reason. You can't deny that. Also, you ignored every other part of my point if a war would go down and like what others said, how in terms of power the cast would destroy the US
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"they dont beat demonic beasts by themselves, only in armies"
Yea. Thats what i said.
"no reason at all to assume metor is town level in three houses. we see metor in gameplay and its no impressive, we see it in cutcenes and they are just thrown in catpalts"
Calc to meteor . In lore, and in calculations the meteor is town level. Well yea, because it's gameplay. You would think that a gigantic meteor spiraling down at hypersonic speeds would at least scratch the ground, but in gameplay it doesn't. We don't ever see meteor in a cutscene in three houses.
"divine pulse dosent activate on death. the sword literally didnt even hit her when she uses it the first time"
yes it does, if Byleth falls, it literally activates. Yea because sothis intervened.
"the javelins cant even completly annhilate a town. there is STILL rubble left"
Please don't let this become the last thread. It has been discussed, and the JoL are staying at that tier.
No offense, but I have a feeling that this is thread is just gonna become another series of nitpicking and going in circles. I'm just gonna unfollow.
Yea. Thats what i said.
"no reason at all to assume metor is town level in three houses. we see metor in gameplay and its no impressive, we see it in cutcenes and they are just thrown in catpalts"
Calc to meteor . In lore, and in calculations the meteor is town level. Well yea, because it's gameplay. You would think that a gigantic meteor spiraling down at hypersonic speeds would at least scratch the ground, but in gameplay it doesn't. We don't ever see meteor in a cutscene in three houses.
"divine pulse dosent activate on death. the sword literally didnt even hit her when she uses it the first time"
yes it does, if Byleth falls, it literally activates. Yea because sothis intervened.
"the javelins cant even completly annhilate a town. there is STILL rubble left"
Please don't let this become the last thread. It has been discussed, and the JoL are staying at that tier.
No offense, but I have a feeling that this is thread is just gonna become another series of nitpicking and going in circles. I'm just gonna unfollow.
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