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bruh stop
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1. Babidi's mindhax is a gradual process
2. Frieza likely would flick Babidi and he'd die.
3. Mindhaxing is out of character for Babidi.
2. Frieza likely would flick Babidi and he'd die.
3. Mindhaxing is out of character for Babidi.
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Bruh. Vegeta never had a resistance to mindhax prior to the event and the only reason that Vegeta got haxxed is because Babidi bribed him with the promise that he'd become stronger than Goku.
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Ok. Ok. Ok. The CONTEXT behind the scene is the key factor. Vegeta was literally bribed into becoming Babidi's slave. If Babidi tried to mindhax Frieza, which he wouldn't be able to do because it's not in character for Babidi to mindhax right of the bat, Frieza would probably brush it off due to being a cocky little prick who thinks he's perfect.
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He's not Luke Skywalker or Mewtwo. He can't just mindhax with a mere thought.
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I didn't say more powerful, I just said infinitely more powerful beings need evidence.
Babidi has affected people more powerful than Frieza, and I don't think this'll be a stomp.
Edit: Oh, it's TOP Frieza. In that case, this is a stomp. Stop making these threads, or change it to regular Frieza.
Babidi has affected people more powerful than Frieza, and I don't think this'll be a stomp.
Edit: Oh, it's TOP Frieza. In that case, this is a stomp. Stop making these threads, or change it to regular Frieza.
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Who? We're talking about ToP Low 2-C Frieza.
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NO
LIMITS
FALLACY
LIMITS
FALLACY
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Yeah, you're wrong. Because you'd need proof of the skill of the hax user in the first place, otherwise we're NLFing it. If I can mind control slugs, that doesn't mean I can mind control people. If I can barely control someone who's only really using my mind hax and magic to get a boost, rather than listening to me, I don't think I'm gonna do well against someone who can blow up a whole timeline and a half.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'll agree that "strength" infinite or not is technically irrelevant to mental hax defense, but simultaneously, I don't think it makes sense for us to think "oh, this 10-A human with the ability to mind control slugs and even 1 other human being can mind hax a 3-A being easy because they just can! Even though they've never demonstrated anything on that level with their powers."
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'll agree that "strength" infinite or not is technically irrelevant to mental hax defense, but simultaneously, I don't think it makes sense for us to think "oh, this 10-A human with the ability to mind control slugs and even 1 other human being can mind hax a 3-A being easy because they just can! Even though they've never demonstrated anything on that level with their powers."
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He's not only making an extraordinary claim without thinking he needs to back it up- or she, or they, I don't know their gender identity— but they're setting up matches to make characters lose just because they want their specific win con. Isn't this unintentional spite?
And again, you have to support your claim if you're going for big shit. You can't just claim Kurenai can stomp a Tier 1 character that somehow lacks mind hax resistance feats (not a weakness, but just feats), just because she has an ability. This is assuming there are no limits to the ability in question, when the task being asked of them is further and further away from what they've demonstrated to be capable of. No ones saying strength matters absolutely, we're saying that you need to prove your character is capable.
And again, you have to support your claim if you're going for big shit. You can't just claim Kurenai can stomp a Tier 1 character that somehow lacks mind hax resistance feats (not a weakness, but just feats), just because she has an ability. This is assuming there are no limits to the ability in question, when the task being asked of them is further and further away from what they've demonstrated to be capable of. No ones saying strength matters absolutely, we're saying that you need to prove your character is capable.
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oh my god just stop , even first form frieza from the namek saga beats babidi , as babidi is a featless character and does not have attacks , their fore has little attack potency , and besides at this point , everyone in the top arc is so much higher than in the buu saga , it isnt even funny.
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We assume characters of a higher dimensionality resist hax that's only worked on lower-D characters. ToP Frieza is Low 2-C physically, since that's a 4-D tier and Babidi's mindhax has only worked on 3-D beings, we assume it doesn't work, as Frieza's uncountably infinitely stronger than anyone Babidi's affected.
This does seem slightly weird to me in light of the recent Tiering System revisions, so I'll ask some experts about that, but it's outside the scope of this thread.
Also @DTG you can't decide what a character's opening move is. However, you can bloodlust them so they'll use their best move first.
This does seem slightly weird to me in light of the recent Tiering System revisions, so I'll ask some experts about that, but it's outside the scope of this thread.
Also @DTG you can't decide what a character's opening move is. However, you can bloodlust them so they'll use their best move first.
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dude cut it out with the babdi threads , seriously he isnt even that powerful and got killed by piccolo , who was only semi-perfect cell level at the time and frieza should easily solo dbz at this point.
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This argument's a non-sequitur. Aquaman can only affect fish because his powers are specifically restricted to fish. Mindhax works on beings with minds, or in Babidi's case, characters with evil in their hearts.ByAsura said:
This isn't the way you should be explaining this, you should know better.
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I'm aware of this but I'm not sure how it works with the new Tiering System revisions. I've asked some experts about it but I might not get an answer for a while.DTG499 said:
Right now I'd instinctually say that Frieza should be susceptible to Babidi's mindhax, aka I agree with you, but I wanna double check, so can the thread chill out until I get a clear answer from Ultima?
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I don't understand the "higher dimensional" relevance, given that 4D power from a 3D being doesn't even begin to make a distinction from another 3D being. The problem is, extraordinary claims require proportional proof. I'm not gonna get anywhere making a CRT that really only boils down to "make everyone be skeptical of hax and have people prove the potency of the abilities proportional to the task being asked of them", but I also just wanna say, when it comes to 3D entities like Frieza and Beerus who can **** shit that has 4Ds up, the argument of "4D so no hax" doesn't work on its own. We should just ask for "proof of ******* with things that strong or gtfo" and be done with it. Like, ok, if these beings were actual 4D creatures with minds that weren't like 3D creatures, sure, but we're not gonna lie and say all 4D AP characters count for that.
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