Babidi vs Frieza

[Antvasima]

If this is a stomp thread, one of us staff members should probably close it.

 

[DTG499]

STOP

 

[ByAsura]

This is a stomp regardless of mind hax because Frieza just has too much AoE. @Agnaa Aquaman produces physic waves that are powerful enough to control marine life because they're of a lower order intelligence than mamals, not because they're specifically marine life. He can produce seizures in humans in some cases, but not telepathically coerce them. It's an example of power limitation.

@DTG499 No, you missed the point entirely.

 

[Agnaa]

@Everyone After consulting Ultima, he thinks that characters with tier 2+ power and 3-D physiologies can still be affected by 3-D hax unless they show resistance, so Frieza should still be affected. It's a Xeno Goku sort of situation.

If this is a stomp thread, one of us staff members should probably close it.

I don't think it's a stomp, but the thread is heavily and unfairly weighted towards Babidi (equalizing speed, only giving him prior knowledge, choosing Babidi's starting move) to the point that it's probably spite - the thread's not a good idea anyway.

 

[Remy_the_wolf]

If this is a stomp thread, one of us staff members should probably close it.

yeah im gonna have to agree with you on that gig , this is far too much of a stomp to be considered a debate.

 

[Agnaa]

@Agnaa Aquaman produces physic waves that are powerful enough to affect marine life because they're of a lower order intelligence than mamals, not because they're specifically marine life. He can produce seizures in humans in some cases, but not telepathically coerce them. It's an example of power limitation.

And that's a limitation specific to Aquaman. We don't assume that characters by default have that limitation to their mindhax. A 10-C typewriter that's only affected normal humans could in fact affect a 3-A.

 

[Amexim]

Honestly, unless the verse in question makes it explicit that beings who are physically and mentally extradimemsional are mentally different and impossible to hax using a normal 3D brain, we're presupposing shit that has no evidence and making up stuff. I mean. If that's the wave, I propose that Matter Manipulation hax needs feats if the opponent's durability or the durability of the object is far beyond anything the user has manipulated. The same logic applies, like, why would Scar be able to destroy Zeno's body if Zeno can survive 4D impacts. Same for Goku. Same for Majin Buu, who's able to tank Solar System shit. Point is, put up or close thread.

 

[ByAsura]

@Agnaa That's irrelevant, the point is characters have power limitations on hax. Also, we do assume characters have limitations on mind control, which is why they generally can't control Universe level+ people, regardless of them having 3-D forms.

I'm closing this thread now because it's still a stomp. Even if Babidi's mind hax can affect Frieza, the latter has far greater AoE and power. Babidi's power also doesn't work instantly and can be resisted by things like pride.