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Classic Doctor Fate vs Classic Doctor Strange

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Rules:

1. This is Doctor Fate at his strongest from Earth-One of Detective Comics without any injuries; whereas this is Doctor Strange at his strongest from Earth-616 of Marvel Comics without any injuries.

2. Doctor Fate in prime, is Classic, wears Amulet of Anubis, Cloak of Destiny & Helmet of Fate, has Orb of Nabu, wields Staff of Power, and merged into one.

3. Doctor Strange in prime, is Classic, wears Ring of Full Power, Gauntlet of Strange, Magic Amulet, Ring of the Ancient One, Sash, Cloak of Levitation, Eye of Zartra, Eye of Agamotto & Orb of Agamotto, has Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, Yggdrasil Power, Hands of the Dead, Atlantean Dreamwave, Book of Demonicus, Book of Eibon, Wand of Watoomb, Book of the Vishanti, Wooden Staff, Brazier of Bom'Galiath, Tome of Oshtur, Scrolls of Watoomb, Crystal of Kadavus, Cauldron of the Cosmos, Oculus Oroboros, Gaea Shard, Hand of the Vishanti, Jewel of Transhypnosis, Kartkuthi, Iris of the All-Seeing Oracle, Oracle of Agamotto, Orb of Snnnr, Scroll of Eternity, Sword of the Ultimate Shadow, Star of Capistan, Purple Gem, Staff of Dravid, Talisman of Abraxas, Wands of Satannish, Diary of Kenneth Ward, Two Gems That Are One, Two Mirrors, First Tarot Deck, Book of the Darkhold, Dragonfang, Soul Gem, Time Gem, Mind Gem, Scalpel of Strange & Mystic Ruby Crystals, drank Zom, Serum of the Seraphim & Otkid's Elixir, and merged with Death, Eternity & Arioch.

4. 1-on-1 death battle.

5. No interference or holding back allowed.

Location:

Amalgam2


Anywhere in Amalgam Universe.

Lord of Order: 2 (VeryGoofyToddler, Jasonsith)

Sorcerer Supreme: 7 (LordTracer, MrKerf, AbcMac23, ABoogieYesSir, Lucas Carvalho Santiago, XSOULOFCINDERX, CaptainFinnigan)

Inconclusive: 1 (Phoenks)

Note: Both of them are Tier 2-A: Multiverse level+ to make the fight fair.
 
ik, i dont have any convincing arguments at the momment but i do think this will end up incon.. Ill wait for others.
 
Nobody's giving any reasoning, so allow me.

Strange completely stomps. Marvel 2-As are far beyond DC 2-As, as DC's are baseline (or slightly above) and Marvel's are infinitely above baseline. As Strange is merged with Eternity here, he's omnipresent and should therefore blitz Fate who is only Massively FTL+. Strange has a mountain of hax, a far greater amount than Fate, and he resists several of Fate's hax. And there's the possibility of Strange's 2-A key eventually becoming Low 1-C, which would make this even more of a stomp.
 
LordTracer said:
Nobody's giving any reasoning, so allow me.
Strange completely stomps. Marvel 2-As are far beyond DC 2-As, as DC's are baseline (or slightly above) and Marvel's are infinitely above baseline. As Strange is merged with Eternity here, he's omnipresent and should therefore blitz Fate who is only Massively FTL+. Strange has a mountain of hax, a far greater amount than Fate, and he resists several of Fate's hax. And there's the possibility of Strange's 2-A key eventually becoming Low 1-C, which would make this even more of a stomp.
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Lord of Order: 2

Sorcerer Supreme: 1

Inconclusive: 1
 
Can anyone illustrate the "exact AP and scaling" for both sides?
 
Jasonsith said:
Can anyone illustrate the "exact AP and scaling" for both sides?
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Fate is presumably baseline. Strange is infinite^infinite^infinite baseline.
 
Planck69 said:
Jasonsith said:
Can anyone illustrate the "exact AP and scaling" for both sides?
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Fate is presumably baseline. Strange is infinite^infinite^infinite baseline.
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So, the scaling tree?

And the scans of being omnipresent within which space-time construct?

ClassicNESfa may as well say Strange is Low 1-C. aka Strange stomps and this match cannot be added.
 
Jasonsith said:
So, the scaling tree?
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What do you exactly mean? All Marvel 2-As are this far above baseline since even a single universe is infinitely above baseline 2-A.
 
Jasonsith said:
And the scans of being omnipresent within which space-time construct?

ClassicNESfa may as well say Strange is Low 1-C. aka Strange stomps and this match cannot be added.
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This is a stomp even without Strange being Low 1-C. What can Fate even do here.
 
Planck69 said:
Jasonsith said:
And the scans of being omnipresent within which space-time construct?

ClassicNESfa may as well say Strange is Low 1-C. aka Strange stomps and this match cannot be added.
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This is a stomp even without Strange being Low 1-C. What can Fate even do here.
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Basically point me to somewhere I can reliably and immediately read about the scaling trees and "omnipresence" argument myself.

I know Marvel and DC has undergone a lot of upgrades and downgrades at the same time. I would like their current tierings pointed out instead of people keep saying the same thing without even putting a scan and link the characters' tierings there.
 
@Jasonsith The scan showing why Marvel's 2-As are infinitely above baseline is linked in a note on Galactus (Marvel Comics)'s profile.

As for Strange being omnipresent, it's because he's merged with Eternity, who is omnipresent, in this fight.
 
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