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Dante vs Virgo Shaka

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Well...


Shaka has more HAX, he can attack Dante's mind...

But Dante has way more AP, and can stop time...

IDK
 
Shaka, easy. Time manipulation is something that Saints have experienced and resisted before.
 
Brunout said:
Tivanenk said:
Shaka, easy. Time manipulation is something that Saints have experienced and resisted before.
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Not in canon.
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Not an argument. Because everything is canon

Hell, even in the main continuity, Orphee stopped the time of the universe for a brief moment, which Rhada resisted.
 
I checked both of their prefiles and both are universe level so no one has the ap advantage though shaka is only universe level with his strongest attack but hax>dc anyway and shaka certainly has the more impressive hax here, shaka wins because of hax.
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
I checked both of their prefiles and both are universe level so no one has the ap advantage though shak is only universe level with his strongest attack but hax>dc anyway and shak certainly has the more impressive hax here, shaka wins because of hax.
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That "universal" attack is not really universal, because that attack *symbolizes* the end/beginnig of the universe. symbolizes.

It was stated in the manga that the whole "destruction and birht of several universes" was just symbolic
 
Both Lost Canvas and Next Dimension are canon. They just take place in different universes.
 
Brunout said:
Celestial Pegasus said:
I checked both of their prefiles and both are universe level so no one has the ap advantage though shak is only universe level with his strongest attack but hax>dc anyway and shak certainly has the more impressive hax here, shaka wins because of hax.
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That "universal" attack is not really universal, because that attack *symbolizes* the end/beginnig of the universe. symbolizes.
It was stated in the manga that the whole "destruction and birht of several universes" was just symbolic
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No, it actually stated that it caused the birth and death of countless universes when it clashed.

Unlike Dante who gets universal tier from a tweet no less.
 
Tivanenk said:
Both Lost Canvas and Next Dimension are canon. They just take place in different universes.
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Exactly, so we cannot use feats from a differente/alternate story to the main canon.
 
Brunout said:
Tivanenk said:
Both Lost Canvas and Next Dimension are canon. They just take place in different universes.
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Exactly, so we cannot use feats from a differente/alternate story to the main canon.
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Except we can apply resistances because every Cosmo user uses the same damn energy.
 
Except we can apply resistances because every Cosmo user uses the same damn energy.

So what? Its like saying that Game Super Sonic and Super Sonic X have multi-universal durability because they share the same type of energy than Archie super sonic.
 
Still besides the point, hax>dc, the only impressive hax dante has is time manipulation while shaka has mind manipulation,atom manipulation and not to mention if he opens his eyes all dantes senses will be removed and lets not forget he can ressurect and counter any technique after seeing it once.
 
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Except we can apply resistances because every Cosmo user uses the same damn energy.
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So what? Its like saying that Game Super Sonic and Super Sonic X have multi-universal durability because they share the same type of energy than Archie super sonic.
  • facepalm* Strawman argument. Not applicable. You see, when you obtain Cosmo, you also obtain resistances to stuff. It has nothing to do with how much power you can exude.
 
Yeah, but not resistance to all stuff. In Omega it showed resistance to time manipulation, but in Lost canvas, Aspros was affected by it. In Episode G too, Saints were affected by it..


You can't apply something from a different story to the main canon.
 
That's because Aspros was fighting with Kairos who was leagues above him. See, you can overpower someone with hax if you have a greater Cosmo than him, however, if your Cosmo is lower, then you can't actually hax someone higher than you in SS. It just doesn't work.

So, you see, Dante won't exactly have a field day with time stop, especially with someone like Shaka who can reside in all of space-time along with Aiolos.
 
Ok, so, he can resist to time manipulation from the ones that is below him.


But Dante is above Shaka in power. He is at least universal, because in DMC2, he is far stronger than Mundus.

Again, I didn't said that Dante woud win the fight, he rarely uses time stop..
 
A Mundus who created a dimension of unknown size which was elevated to universe level by a tweet. Brilliant powerscaling there. Except Dante doesn't even specialize in time manipulation, so his time stop isn't even that strong...
 
Dante has 3 forms to manipulate time, quicksilver, bangle of time and Chrono heart. I think that he has very experience with that. Also, with bangle of time he was able to stop the time of Nelo angelo, which was strong as him.


The manga too said that Mundus merged both universes. And the guides said that the fight of dante and mundus made the underworld start to collapse, which is a universe.


Tweet or not, it is accepted. Just deal it that.
 
So his best feat is stopping time for someone who is unknown in tier? Has he at least ever stopped Mundus' time?
 
How unknow? He was at the same level as Dante. He beated Dante in the first fight, actually.


No

Dante cannot use bangle of time + devil trigger, because BoT consumes his demoniac energy. Against Mundus, without sparda devil trigger he would be outclassed

But he was able to slow down time against Argosax which is the same level as Mundus.

And able to slow down time against arkham with the power of sparda, which is stronger than DMC3 Dante alone.
 
Brunout said:
Ok, so, he can resist to time manipulation from the ones that is below him.

But Dante is above Shaka in power. He is at least universal, because in DMC2, he is far stronger than Mundus.

Again, I didn't said that Dante woud win the fight, he rarely uses time stop..
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where did you get the minimum universe AP for dante? he is not even factually universe level, just "possible" so no. shaka is factually universal level with agyo, and dante doesn`t time-stop, he slows it down.
 
where did you get the minimum universe AP for dante? he is not even factually universe level, just "possible" so no. shaka is factually universal level with agyo, and dante doesn`t time-stop, he slows it down.

In the same profile, it says that he is much higher than Mundus. It is "possibly" in his profile, but everyone already accepted him as a factual universal. Also, there is more proof of Universal Dante than just a tweet, but whatever

I will not discuss the Agyo, not anymore....


He stops, with bangle of time.

quicksilver and chrono heart slow down.
 
He does have Bangle of Time, but to be honest, it's really crap tier and only works on minor enemies in general. I highly doubt a high tier like Shaka, in a universe where time resistance is shown by lower tiers, would be affected by it.
 
In the video, he used against nelo angelo, which was strong as Dante(without sparda's power)

Btw, i really doubt that dante would use against Shaka, he rarely uses...

Shaka would probably mind rape him before he had the time to use
 
Brunout said:
If he defeated a universal demon while not using half of his power(in base with an jackpot, without devil trigger or majin form which is superior) that doesn't make him at least universal?
No, BoT stops:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Dwji-4VVg
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make a thread about it. people already talked about why dante doesn`t get the "atleast" universal threatment in the same thread which had dante get upgraded to 3-A. before then he isn`t
 
make a thread about it. people already talked about why dante doesn`t get the "atleast" universal threatment in the same thread which had dante get upgraded to 3-A. before then he isn`t
Meh, I already though of making, others things need to be add to his profile as well(like the amulets from DMC2, which are very useful) but I really don't care with upgrading Dante anymore. Not to mention that I need to re-play DMC2 to take more informations about argosax.
 
But, about this battle, or shaka mind rapes Dante, or sent him to one of the six hells.

Or remove his senses.

Or destroy his body with atom-manipulation.
 
lazyness isn`t an option :Skully

you should make it otherwise people won`t accept what you`r saying in threads :Skully
 
Victor2 said:
lazyness isn`t an option :Skully
you should make it otherwise people won`t accept what you`r saying in threads :Skully
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What is Skully :c?

I still need to play DMC2 again, to take scans about Argosax, and informations about the amulets, and the "super morph"
 
I would say Shaka wins due to how versatile he is compared to Dante, and like Tiva said time stops are not very effective against them. Stripping Dante's only real advantage off him.
 
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