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Is this Dimitri Bloodlusted? If so, Id give them the edge just due to their sheer strength alone.
 
I've only watched Church route and Blue Lions route, but I think Dimitri is much more impressive than Edelgard. Pre-Timeskip, he almost killed her before she could even raise her weapon to defend herself while he slaughtered all of her guards at the same time. Post-Timeskip and Dimitri is ruthlessly killing bandits the entire time while Edelgard mostly just moves around her generals to attack the Kingdom and the Alliance. So, I vote for Dimitri.
 
I think Dimitri has a big advantage when it comes to physical strength, and Dimitri is bloodlusted. so my vote goes to Dimitri.
 
I vote for Dimitri. His crest of Blaiddyd grants him incredible strength, and his spear can easily outrange Edelgard's axe. Plus, he is far more motivated to win this fight.
 
Hmmm, people know that Edelgard has a Distant Counter right? So it doesn't matter how far Dimitri is, she can retaliate against him back. Also, she has Magic to attack him from a distance, especially Luna which ignore any resistance Dimitri may have.

While Dimitri may be perceived as the stronger as the two, people must remember that in Edelgard's arsenal is the Sword of Seiros which bring about passive healing for the Emperor. So Edelgard has the option of outlasting Dimitri if it comes to a drawn out battle, able to heal her wounds with every attack she does land. And that's not to say anything about her Crest of Flames which also heal her depending on the amount of damage she does.
 
I dont think it will be a drawn out fight, Dimitri will want to end the fight as quickly as possible, as he is bloodlusted.
 
Rtxthegamer said:
I dont think it will be a drawn out fight, Dimitri will want to end the fight as quickly as possible, as he is bloodlusted.
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Whether or not Dimitri wants to end the battle quickly, it not like Edelgard would play to his tune. I'm assuming she is implied to be calm in comparison to Dimitri who is likely to be more reckless and more suicidal considering he is bloodlusted and how he is depicted in the game iirc. She has the option of keeping him at bay with spells like Luna which ignores his resistance and hit hard. Teleportation at hand to keep up her distance.

Even if it comes to close range, Edelgard has more means to heal herself than Dimitri with her Sword of Seiros and Crests. She can heal more than Dimitri could possibly dish out, who is less likely to heal himself due to his bloodlust. Isn't that how he was killed twice in the Church and Verdent Route (correct me if I'm wrong). Edelgard also has Seal Strength and Magic so if she damage Dimitri, she can temporarily lower his Strength and Magic
 
BoomerKuwanger1 said:
isnt bloodlusted just using the best possible use of their powers?
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bloodlust

Bloodlusted doesn't mean suddenly max tactical competence.

Bloodlust is that the character is angry and wants to kill the opponent no matter what (which is pretty much the actual definition). If they fight more tactically while angry, then they would in the situation. But if they- as most people do, get sloppy while angry, simply attack recklessly, without planning or thinking, or using their powers creatively (but don't hold back either), then would be the case. All depends on the character in question.
 
Well Dimitri did die in VW by trying to chase Edelgard while heavily fatigued and injured. But this time its a 1 on 1 encounter (ignoring battallions.)

Edelgard isn't one to just stand back, and they much prefer fighting on the front lines, so I don't think they would immediately start to camp out dimitri. I could see Dimitri killing them right there due to their sheer strength alone. Even if they did start to camp out dimitri, he also has DC, and a variety of other ranged weapons/spells.

Edelgard may be better suited for fighting over an extended period of time due to the fact that she has many ways to heal. However, this is making the bold assumption that they will even get to that point.
 
FDrybob said:
I vote for Dimitri. His crest of Blaiddyd grants him incredible strength, and his spear can easily outrange Edelgard's axe. Plus, he is far more motivated to win this fight.
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I question this somewhat.

> His crest of Blaiddyd grants him incredible strength

Edelgard has two Crests, the Crest of Seiros and Crest of Flames, both of which also increase her strength to match Dimitri incredible strength. And Edelgard has Seal Strength and Seal Magic, both of which can lower Dimitri's primary means of damaging her, though temporary

> His spear easily outrange Edelgard's axes

Edelgard's Tomahawk would like to have a word with this statement. Not to mention she has magic to compensate.

> Plus, he is far more motivated to win this fight

Okay, I can see that he will be more motivated since he is bloodlusted and wants Edelgard's head to quell the voices in his head. He is probably more than likely the more determined one of the two. But Edelgard is just as motivated to defeat Dimitri since he stands in her way to defeat the Church, unite the land and abolish the Crest System by going against her.
 
As far as I know, Edelgard has never been stated to be freakishly strong like Dimitri has multiple times in his supports. Lore-wise, we don't even really know what the crest of seiros and crest of flames do, at least for the most part. IIrc all we know is that they keep you from aging further. If Dimitri uses Atrocity, which will likely be pretty quickly, that might be enough to defeat Edelgard by itself. Also, I meant that Dimitri's weapons outrange Edelgard in melee combat; I wasn't talking about throwing weapons. His spears are longer than her axes. In his bloodlusted state, he would likely go straight for melee anyway. Also, I argue that he's more skilled than her. He seemed to have the advantage when he found out she was the Flame Emperor, and during the timeskip he was fighting Imperial troops constantly. Meanwhile, Edelgard had to rule her country that whole time, and likely didn't have anywhere near as much time to train.
 
Can't really say much about the lore thing. But Edelgard having two crests does make her have increased strength in a way since iirc Edelgard says that she doesn't feel as weighed down by heavy armor because of her crest when she asks you to teach her Axe/Heavy Armor. Iirc again, in Ferdinand Von Aegir's support with Byleth, I think he stated that she was able to single handily defeat a Demonic Beast by herself so her crests does grants her superhuman strength. In accordance to the game, Dimitri's Crest makes him stronger by doubling his strength but Edelgard's crests allows increased might to her blows as well as heal from damage she inflicted.

Isn't Dimitri's Atrocity effecr neutralized by Edelgard's Armored Effect Null. I wonder how Edelgard's Raging Storm would play out since it allows her to continually attack again and again in quick succession.

Hasn't Fire Emblem tend to portray that axe users has some advantage over lances user in their weapon triangle.
 
Atrocity is effective against everything, so I don't know if Armored Effect Null will help. Also, I think it's safe to assume that Dimitri can defeat a Demonic Beast by himself as well. In one of his supports he is mentioned to have casually lifted up an entire cart, and he constantly bends and breaks metal tools because he can't control his strength. Also, I think that the weapon triangle is mostly game mechanics anyway, and it doesn't even exist in this game other than in certain abilities. Spears outrange axes, and axes are difficult to parry with compared to spears and swords. Edelgard's preferred weapon is her relic axe, so I doubt she'll use the sword of seiros right away, but it's definitely her best chance of winning.

Also, if we're going to look at the game mechanics for their crests, Dimitri's crest doubles his damage at the cost of durability, while Edelgard's crests occasionally add 5 might, heal her a bit, or prevent counterattacks, at a low rate of activation. That's nowhere near as physically strong, but it's a game mechanic so it largely doesn't matter. Luna may bypass resistance, but it works best on characters with high magic since it has almost no might. It also has only two range, so if Edelgard is in range to use it, then Dimitri can reach her immediately after. Anyways, if Dimitri lands a strong hit on Edelgard, I doubt she'll be in any position to strike back with her sword and heal herself.
 
Yeaaaa game mechanics should definitely not be discussed in a versus thread unless said game mechanic has defined lore/cutscene feats. It's like saying that Saber's can never beat Archer's in the Fate series because FGO has class advantages.

Again, Pre-Timeskip Dimitri not only slaughters all of Edelgard's soldiers casually in the Tomb cutscene, but he also nearly kills her with a spear throw before she can even react. Five years later and all Dimitri has been doing is killing Imperial soliders and bandits. Edelgard on the other hand has been ruling her Empire and making political coup's to the Kingdom.
 
Indeed the cutscene does show that Dimitri is freakishly brutal and would have probably killed her if he had just improved his aim a bit on the throw. And indeed Dimitri has been fighting and killing Imperial soliders and bandits while Edelgard has been busy trying to take over nations. But it not like she sit in her throne all day and plots plans to conquer the other nations. She does goes out and lead charges against her enemies.

And indeed, Dimitri does have lots of cutscene emphasizing his freakishly strength, even though Edelgard should be be pretty strong due to her double crests and having the Crest of Flames but I digress. We're talking about a bloodlusted Dimitri from the post-timeskip right? Then Edelgard should have no problem taking advantage of his recklessness. His strength would be used against him as he would continuously try to overextend himself to hit Edelgard. She can use her teleportation to keep her distance and tired out the mad king and launch her magic spell at him or use that opportunity to heal up any damage she taken, turning the fight into a drawn out debate whether Dimitri likes it or not. She will have no problem chipping away at him, especially with her Dark Magic.

I still think she has more chances to win against Dimitri than loses if he is bloodlusted and her tools she has at hand. Probably 8/10 imo.
 
I highly doubt edelgard will immediately start camping out dimitri though. Even if they did get away, Dimitri has ranged weapons, not to mention DC.
 
She never uses her teleportation during battles. It's mostly used to leave the battlefield, not fight. I don't think we should consider teleportation in this scenario.
 
It was never explicitly shown to be her doing it. Using those cutscenes seems dubious to me. In fact, when she leaves after revealing herself as the Flame Emperor, Hubert teleports to her first before they both teleport away, which implies that Hubert did it, and I don't recall her teleporting in any other cutscene. This makes sense, given the fact that the NPC Edelgard never learns any spells, and neither warp nor rescue are in her spell list.
 
Yet, Hubert doesn't have Warp or Resuce in his spell list despite cutscene showing that he can teleport but I blame that on game mechanics and whatnot. Edelgard has shown to teleport herself, one of which in the scene with the bandit Kotas (I believe that's his name) and the other in the chapter involving Fayn's kidnapping and the Death Knight
 
What about the fact Edelgard's not only able to seemingly equally match a fresh post-time skip Byleth(Silver Snow), using only the sword of Seiros, but is also strong enough to help create a shockwave at least as wide as the Immaculate One with a single strike of her axe AFTER leaping several dozen feet into the air in Crimson Flower?

Haven't seen Dimitri do anything on that level.
 
We've heard of Hero's Relics doing far more damage than that. Also, I think it's safe to assume that Dimitri is on par with Byleth as well. Heck, in Felix's final support he even defeats Byleth in a duel.
 
That's pretty interesting to hear. Nice note, FD. Though, to clarify, that was Felix's win and he claims it was a narrow victory that was too close to really give a definitive answer of who is better. Felix's prowess in a sparring match do not equal Dimitri's ability to match Byleth in an all out fight.

I don't think range is going to matter much considering how fast the two are. A lance/spear normally has the disadvantage of being rather unwieldly and requiring large wind ups but both of them are capable of twirling such things like they're nothing rather easily. They both also have plenty of ranged options if neither want to deal with being up close.

I think the kicker here would be Edelgard's Flickering Flower to keep Dimitri locked down, Raging Storm letting Edelgard fire off continuous high powered strikes, and the Sword of Seiros' ability to heal her as she attacks. Atrocity might help him eek out extra damage but he doesn't really have the ability to lock down Edelgard's movement like she does nor does he have an answer to the Sword of Seiros' healing factor.

Either of them would really be capable of getting the first shot in but Edelgard I'd say would have the best shot of simply getting in more attacks and getting in more healing.
 
The thing is, I think Dimitri would get the first blow off. Not necessarily kill, but at least injure them. From there, they should be able to go for the kill. We even see in Ferdinand and Edelgard's B support when they were dueling, Edelgard acknowledges that she could have been taken out in one blow as well. It was just that she striked first. Considering that Dimitri is far stronger than Ferdinand, and is in a bloodlusted state, I doubt that Edelgard would be able to defend herself. And I highly doubt that Edelgard would start to immediately camp out Dimitri.

Long story short, Dimitri nearly one shots Edelgard.
 
Also, Edelgard's flickering flower won't immobilize Dimitri since he has the Commander skill. Similarly, his gambit won't immobilize her either. Basically, this boils down to who can injure their opponent first.
 
Again, nice point FD. I don't necessarily think the fight would be decided with the first blow. On every route, both of them go through long and grueling battles before being felled. Neither of them were ever really felled with a single blow, merely finished after being weakened to the point of being prone before their opponents.
 
It can be argued that it happens that way just so they can have a dramatic scene.
 
^ I mean if Dimitri didn't miss his lance throw pre timeskip, he would've probably killed Edelgard. And I'm talking about like a direct hit, rather than trading blows. As i've mentioned, Edelgard mentions that Ferdinand would've likely took them out in a hit, so she struck before he could. Seeing how Dimitri is far stronger than ferdinand, not to mention in a bloodlusted state, I could see Dimitri getting the first direct blow easily.
 
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