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Woke Gamer vs Pretentious Film Student (GRACE)

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Thanks, I think they have some potential for future matches. Plus the Joker match craze was a good excuse to utilize them.

Alex Kralie gets a vote.
 
Cropfist said:
Joker via better physical stats.
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Have you taken into the account the rules of this match? With prep, both are not likely to get physical off the get-go.
 
Street level durability means Arthur will take a shot better than Alex, and I am not sure exaclty how Alex would directly strike him with the gasoline.
 
Well, to be fair, I did mention that this is a prep match taking place in a building, so it's likely that Alex would use the fire to burn a lot of the building rather than just splashing gasoline on Arthur and trying to light him
 
Wouldn't that be kinda an obvious danger just from the sheer smell that stuff gives off? And if not, just seeing the tanks themselves would be kinda obvious?
 
I'm very certain Alex isn't dumb enough to just leave the tanks around for Arthur to look at
 
Does he have experience actually hiding them? It's going to be hard to keep them hidden out of site, Arthur still be in range of them, and him being able to shoot or activate them unless he actually has experience doing it. Cause looking at it. He doesn't. On top of that. "via gasoline fuel container and lighter." It looks like he doesn't even use it with his gun. He lites it himself. Which doesn't exactly promise it would even kill arthur. They both would be in danger of the flames. Even if he lights it. Arthur could still shoot him. And if the fire took him down, well. That's a draw, if it didn't, as Arthur's durability, pain tolerance, and fire be capable of being put out, Arthur could also make it out. Arthur does seem better with a gun. And the fire tanks don't seem reliable. Especially since he lacks experience actually using them in a manner that doesn't put himself in danger
 
You are aware Alex empties the tanks, right? Arthur shooting an empty one isn't gonna do much.

Also considering Alex's impressive Stealth Mastery along with how he hid tons of things from Jay, yeah, he's gonna be able to hide the tanks from Arthur.
 
No. I'm saying Alex shooting the tanks. That's the only way to light them from a distance. But from the looks, he doesn't do that. And that still leaves him in a sign of danger. Not only is lighting it going to be hard while getting shot at, but the smell alone will tell Arthur something's up. Since he pours it out, the smell will be much more potent and clear. The smell that stuff gives off is strong, there is no way him pouring it all over the place is not gonna tell him what's going on. Especially if the guy pulls out a lighter. And even lighting it, Arthur can still shoot him and has shot moving targets before. The fire doesn't promise a kill. A bullet hitting him is far more likely. And not like he knows exactly where Arthur will be. Just the general area. He still is in danger of getting caught in the flames himself. And joker still has the chance to avoid the fire or tank it. Fire can be put out. A hospital gives a lot of places to go to avoid fire. Lighting the place only puts them both in danger. Especially since Alex can't control the fire exactly. M
 
The smell might be potent, but I'm not sure Arthur is gonna suddenly become a dog and sniff out the source.

I'm not saying Arthur can't win, but I can't really agree with that hypothesis.
 
You don't need to be a dog to know the smell of it. Normal humans on daily basis can smell it when it's near. I've smelt gas before because it leaked out of one of our containers. It's a strong smell that even being near it will give alarms. It doesn't give off the kind of smell you need to try and look for to notice. It gives off the kind of smell that overwhelms the smells around cause it's potent. Fire hardly helps. It puts both in danger, Alex can't exactly control the fire, only start it, Arthur is easily able to put 2 and 2 together. Potent smell of gas + guy trying to light it = Fire. It's not hard to figure out. And shooting him is still an option. Which again. Lighting the fire while being shot at is not going to be easy, and he probably will get shot in the process. Arthur being the better shot, can tank hits better, and more durable means he would come out this situation more times.
 
Nah. You offered your idea of what could happen. That doesn't discredit the others
 
Yes it does. Saying Arthur just Burns is mute considering I brought up the issues of He can't control the fire really and it just puts him at a threat too

Lighting it is extremely unlikely anyway when he is being shot at

Gas has a Potent AF smell and it would not to but a moment for Arthur to know what he is doing

Considering Arthur's better physical stats and pain tolerance, he both could take a bullet and take the fire far better than Alex. Lighting the fire doesn't promise a win for Alex. He could end up killing himself as a result. And since Joker has both better tolerance and stats, plus the better gun skills, he is more likely to survive.

Aka. Arthur Burns doesn't work. As Alex Burns even easier, and dies even faster.
 
Errrr...no, that Arthur isn't gonna take that fire much better. Well, "better", yes, but he'll die if it gets to him, so at best thats inconclusive. He isn't gonna run through the fire with ease. Besides, Alex can still be strategetic. Alex is also smart enough to know the potency of the smell of gasoline, so it's likely he can be smart with it still.

I'm not removing Alex's votes or Arthur's one vote. Both points still hold up.

EDIT: Also if Arthur gets shot and somehow tanks it, he'll still be left vulnerable and Alex will keep firing
 
So will Alex. But realistically. Joker can take it better. If he gets caught on fire, he is more durable, he can tolerate more pain, and fire is possible to put out with a stop drop and roll. If Alex gets caught in it. He will die far faster. And Joker isn't stupid. He isn't going to run into any fire either. But fire can burn all around. Neither can control it. It's just about who can survive it better. And Joker is simply in better physical condition to do so. And regardless to that. Realistically. The fire almost doesn't help. They both can burn. But one of them is better with a gun, and better physically and tolerant towards pain. Which is joker. And he can't do anything about the smell. That stuff is vastly to potent to not notice. He may know it's going to be potent. But he can't do jack about it. You can know something without having the capability to stop it. Being strategic is vague AF. And his strategy is not going to be able to control a wild fire. He can start where the fires going to be, but he won't even know where joker will be with in the first. He only knows inside the hospital. So he can't even light an exact location. Plus he has to actually light it without getting shot. So no. You are incorrect.

They still aren't valid votes. The reasons are Bunk until more and proper detail is given. Arthur Burns is not valid considering I've covered too many issues. Has no control over it, the odds of lighting it are already low as well, Alex is far more likely to die in it, and fire doesn't even promise to kill Arthur, as he could escape it just as easily. But Arthur is physically better, and has a gun. Alex's win is unreliable and more likely results in his own death. So that reason is bunk.

"Also if Arthur gets shot and somehow tanns it, he'll still be left vulnerable and Alex will keep firing"

Yea. And so would Alex if he got shot. But guess who's better with the gun. Joker is. So not valid.
 
Well, you can call it bunk if you like, but the votes are staying. Alex is likely to either drench areas in a gas trail (which he can light) or use that tank explosion method you spoke of. Hell, he could light the whole hospital up and then wait for where Fleck might exit to kill him once he makes his way out. Alex does have a history of burning down entire buildings after all. Even if it's potent, that doesn't mean Fleck is instantly gonna have a win sealed.

And again. If Arthur gets burned and "takes it better" he's still gonna die. He's not durable enough to survive it. That's an inconclusive match at best. Again. I have nothing against your vote. It's still valid in my eyes. But I will not remove the other votes.
 
They are still bunk. They aren't actually valid votes. that's like if I did Leon vs Joker and said Joker Shoots. GG. Which completely ignores the skill difference, physicality, and the actual debate part of it. This can't be added as the votes are based on incorrect reasoning that haven't acknowledged the blatent issue I've placed. And turning your argument on yourself. Just because he has gas on his side. Doesn't mean he automatically wins. Especially since him lighting it isn't even that likely. The fact Joker would smell it the moment he is even within a few meters of the gas gives him a huge advantage of you know. Getting away from it. Or shooting the guy before he can light it. Having a history of burning down houses. Or having a history burning down a house. Which also doesn't have much of any impact since they are in a hospital. Which is quite different in size and shape.

As the OP, you have to. These votes are more valid until they can actually give a more detailed reason. Cause Arthur Burns ignores the actual debate part of it. And I've placed plenty of reason why Arthur Burns doesn't work. Regardless if you do or not. They aren't valid in the end and can't be added if it reaches 7 votes
 
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