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1) Infinite Tsukiyomi's range is planetary, theres no dodging it.OwariNepgear said:My vote? Of course, my avatar says it all xD
This is a fight with prep time, like Batman vs Superman. Yukari is very smart (A true mastermind), she will investigate Kaguya from the gaps and find a way to beat her. While Kaguya is an arrogant hard-headed person who don't give a f*ck about anyone but herself (That's exactly how Naruto and Sasuke beat her btw).
With border manipulation, she can just remove the border between Kaguya's attack and environment to remove that attack from reality (Just like how she messed with the sky in PCB, where she moved the border of the day and night to create a "half-day, half-night sky"). Though she can't do the same with Kaguya due to Spell Card's Rule (Damn you ZUN).
In case someone don't know about Yukari's border manipulation, read her profile, there's a part about it.
In case someone say anything like "there's no border in Kaguya's attack" or "Kaguya can block her border manipulation, just like Reimu do", i don't even see any feat like that in Naruto but if you want it that way, ok. Yukari can just open her gap to throw Kaguya's attack to wherever she want. In case Kaguya want to move somewhere else with her Yomotsu Hirasaka or take Yukari to somewhere else, it's pointless Yukari's gap > Kaguya's YH IMO.
Amenominaka? Yukari can just hide in her gap, tadaa, no matter where Kaguya take her to, it's meaningless.
Infinite Tsukuyomi + World of Trees? As long as the tree's roots can't catch her, this ability is useless.
And finally, the Truth-Seeking balls and Ash Bones. They are Kaguya's masterpieces. Yet, 1 gap, here goes nothing.
She can be considered a spiritual god seeing as how she was worshipped, is immortal and has immense power. + Kaguya dimension warping and reality warping are different from what Yukari is said to have. Kaguya doesnt confuse the brain, she litterally warps people to another dimension which she has complete control of.Andykhang said:^It's not about the range and power of the controller, since her power is like a Universe Hacking tool (side, she and Kaguya have pretty much the same feat, with her even putting her own world in another brane). That have to do more with the fact that as a Youkai, Status Quo with the Divine could really stop her from doing anything. (Though it's not like that she couldn't open the Lunar Capital barrier one, otherwise she wouldn't have planted a portal to retrieve Yuyuko and Youmu from the Lunar Capital itself) Last time I remember though, Kaguya isn't some kind of spiritual god, but rather a woman with overpowering amount of power.
The reason behind youkai's general weakness versus deities is not that they are deities. It is all run around belief: youkai and deities exist because of it, their powers borned from it and their weaknesses too. But forgotted deities (in Shinto) can degrade to youkai or dissapear (we actualy see it in Touhou). So Kaguya is not deity in Touhou's term. She is more like Lunarians who exist because they exist.JingleFloor said:She can be considered a spiritual god seeing as how she was worshipped, is immortal and has immense power. + Kaguya dimension warping and reality warping are different from what Yukari is said to have. Kaguya doesnt confuse the brain, she litterally warps people to another dimension which she has complete control of.
It doesn't matter if she is considered a god or not. She won't be a god in Touhou because of precise mechanics behind Touhou deities.JingleFloor said:By Naruto's terms Kaguya is considered a god, and getting technical she can be considered a high spiritual being.
Kaguya can become one with the landscape to tank the laser hits, or even in her regular form she'd just regenerate her body parts back. (Taking a lot of hits sure, but Yukari can only fire so many)CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:I was gonna make a rude comment about how you actually made me use my phone to debate when it's hard as hell, but I'll just get straight to the point.
You stil didn't deal with the laser issue aside from the PROVE IT PROVE IT IT DOESNT EXIST YOU BETTER HAVE FACTS despite a majority of the cast using lasers, having feats that puts some of them at ftl, and Yukari matching them. Not to mention the plethora of spatial haxx scattered around such as manipulating distance, vampires that can survive under the sun for a short bit and only started burning once they stopped moving instead of while moving, and tengus that can move faster than light which is someone that Yukari and Suika respects.
Basically, speed advantage is on Yukari even with speed equalized due to the plethora of danmaku spam. By the way, if possible kindly stop quoting every line because it just makes your responses clunky and too long.
Fun fact, Yukari can surround herself with a spatial warping duplex barrier and some more on a spellcard. While taking it easy since it's a spell card Hell what's stopping Yukari from porting a nuke into Kaguya's belly while she's talking? Or dark matter for that matter..
That dimension statement.... makes me question just how do you perceive dimensions to work. Kaguya's dimensions are a separate thing entirely...
Statement about the Rinnegan is an NLF. So what if someone can ignore any illussion sees it? Would you claim it'll work anyway cuz lol Rinnegan? Yukari can handle an illussion liike that. And because others have done so in the first place, breathing in space. They went to the moon before, some of the cast and it's no surprise that they would be capable of breathing there because some of them have haxx magic that would grant easy breathing. If a bunch of vampires could make a space travelling rocket, I'm sure Yukari can do that too given prep time.
The statement about her immortality and tailed beasts just makes me laugh. Giving a glance at wiki makes that accurate but jesus that doesn't make them freaking mystic gods that are praised by many. How did this even get into this topic? Either way Yukari can just BFR to dark matter, which she needs a damn high range to gain access to, or
Also even without prep time Yukari has a solid chance of trumping Kaguya. If she could trick intelligent centuries or millenia old aliens, she can do this again against someone who only made a gambit. This isn't even fair.
Either way this is hard to type on mobile so I leave it to everyone else.
The truth seeking balls may be able to be an effective counte to Yukari's barriers. Not only does it hit on a physical level, but there was a discussion on it being spiritual as well. In total, the discussion was about if it was physical, spiritual, AND astral. The discussion was never concluded though.Andykhang said:I'm not reading much of her either too though.
But yeah, Yukari's Boundary isn't some physical thing that would disappear with a touch. What she control is, literally and metaphorically, the boundary that seperate and define every single concept of the universe. Unless your Kaguya could obiterate even it own border of attack, it's not extemp from her manipulation. Also, about the Moon thing, why it's true that you need alot of energy for that, you only need a miniscule amount of Antimatter (about a kg or so) to do the job, and it's something she could easily conjured alot of it with a flick of her hand.
Still want to said more about it, but I need to sleep.
Edit: Soooo wrong about the moon thing, turnout you could still need a ton of it (like 1e+13). Make me wonder how that mouse from Ansatsu could do it...
As far I understand... Lunarians erected massive illusion after Appolo missions. Still it is possible to travel to the True Moon since illusion do not prevent from entrance (but there were probably specific anti-certain youkai effects).CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:And huh I guess the Lunar Capital is that powerful. If we scale off of Alice's grimoire, I think that's where that ability stems for, would that mean the lunar illussion is that strong if it could trick everyone that wasn't the lunarians?
Nope... It works as intended. As long as there is no infiltrator. She wasn't able to gap after the First Lunar War.Andykhang said:^It's clearly faulty though, since it doesn't stop Yukari from going in. She's known for entering it as she pleased for quite awhile now...Make me wonder just what's she thinking.
I understood that before IN Yukari lost ability to travel to the Moon because she didn't have enough info about it. She probably gained intel from Eintei though. After all there is semi-protected path which was unknown to youkais.Andykhang said:^Not really though. She and Ran have been coming to the moon in every full moon for awhile now. She even stated that it's simply going to take too much time to infiltrate into the capital itself, and only take time to dismantle the barrier in the event of SSiB.
And to be honest, she does do so to let Yuyuko and Youmu come into the Lunar Capital