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Why are Naruto characters so high tier?

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I took a look at Naruto and Sasuke wiki. Naruto planet level Sasuke planet level. In their final battle, Naruto and Sasuke could not even destroy a country with their best attack (Six Paths Massive Rasenshurikens and Indra's Arrow) Both Naruto and Sasuke combined should be lower than country level.

Itachi should not be mountain level. He should be around building level.

Kakashi should not be town level. He uses 2 Chidori then he is half-dead.Even War Arc Kakashi should not be town level. Kakashi with Perfect Susano'o should be around mountain level.

Shisui is not even close to town level. He should be around at least wall level.He is basically featless.

Minato is not even close to mountain level. He just uses normal Rasengan. He seems to have high chakra levels, so he should be around building level.

Third Raikage seems right, I guess, considering he stalemated Hachibi.

Madara should not be planet level. He should be around country level, considering Naruto and Sasuke are not even country level, and Madara would beat them.

Kaguya should not be star level. She is basically just an upgraded Madara. Kaguya is maybe continent level at best.

Hagoromo is not planetery. He should be weaker than Madara, so Hagoromo is slightly above Naruto (due to Hagoromo having Rinnegan and Ten Tailed Beast, but Kurama can absorb nature energy to be around Ten Tails level, so only advantage Hagoromo has against Naruto is the Rinnegan.)

Fused Momoshiki nor Momoshiki are around planet level. Fused Momoshiki got killed by a Big Rasengan. Even Rasengan of Boruto managed to hurt Fused Momoshiki.

Obito should also be downgraded. He is not even close to mountain level. Juubito should be around at least island level.

When I have time, I will look into other characters.
 
You can't just guess their probable tiers. That's not how downgrades work. You'd first need to check the reasoning behind the rating and find the calculation that puts them in that tier. Then, you would need to debunk the calculation by providing reasons why it is wrong. Note that I don't mean why you think it is wrong, but why the calc is wrong as a cold hard fact, not personal opinion.
 
BakiHanma18 said:
NaRuTo CaN't BlOw Up A pLaNeT bEcAuSe He'S nEvEr DoNe It BeFoRe
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Naruto can't blow up a planet because he could not even destroy a country, even with Sasuke's help.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
You can't just guess their probable tiers. That's not how downgrades work. You'd first need to check the reasoning behind the rating and find the calculation that puts them in that tier. Then, you would need to debunk the calculation by providing reasons why it is wrong. Note that I don't mean why you think it is wrong, but why the calc is wrong as a cold hard fact, not personal opinion.
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BakiHanma18 said:
TacticalNuke002 said:
You can't just guess their probable tiers. That's not how downgrades work. You'd first need to check the reasoning behind the rating and find the calculation that puts them in that tier. Then, you would need to debunk the calculation by providing reasons why it is wrong. Note that I don't mean why you think it is wrong, but why the calc is wrong as a cold hard fact, not personal opinion.
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Sorry. If you can't destroy a country, you are not even close to destroying a planet. It is only logical.
 
There are some things to consider:

1. We go by Attack Potency and not Destructive Capacity. We also follow classic powerscaling rules. This is further explained in #2.

2. "Attacks not shown to destroy planets" is classic Area of Effect fallacy. It is very common in fiction for characters to be Planet level and not destroy planets with their attacks, yet they are planet level because they can hurt people with planet level durability or via powerscaling to those with planet level attack potency.

3. Naruto's Top/God Tiers' tiering comes from various calculations.

Now is Naruto's tiering a bit inflated? Yes. But that's a discussion for later because it involves the calcs themselves.
 
Like I said, if you can't destroy a country, you are not even close to planetery level. It is only logical, and simple as that. I wonder why you are unable to understand it?
 
You can't understand a single thing here, and then you come and tell me that I am a troll. Either understand the things I say, or be out of here because you are just wasting my time.
 
Sera EX said:
There are some things to consider:

1. We go by Attack Potency and not Destructive Capacity. We also follow classic powerscaling rules. This is further explained in #2.

2. "Attacks not shown to destroy planets" is classic Area of Effect fallacy. It is very common in fiction for characters to be Planet level and not destroy planets with their attacks, yet they are planet level because they can hurt people with planet level durability or via powerscaling to those with planet level attack potency.

3. Naruto's Top/God Tiers' tiering comes from various calculations.

Now is Naruto's tiering a bit inflated? Yes. But that's a discussion for later because it involves the calcs themselves.
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Either you're trolling, or you didn't read this...
 
Downgrade33 said:
Sorry. If you can't destroy a country, you are not even close to destroying a planet. It is only logical.
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What reasoning do you even have for putting them below their current tiers anyway? And don't bring up the argument of them not destroying the world with their strongest attack since that's clearly AoE fallacy. Why else do you think Goku doesn't destroy the universe everytime he throws a KI blast?

Unless you actually bring up reasoning why the calc that puts them there is wrong to begin with or why it would be an outlier, their tiers are remaining as they are. Stuff like this is why genuine upgrades and downgrades get bogged down so much.
 
I don't think you understand how this site works. Attack Potency (AP) is fundamentally different from Destructive Capacity or Capability (DC). AP deals with energy output per attack while DC is for the city-buster, planet-buster etc. terminology which is frequently seen in pop-culture. Even in similar destructive feats, there can be a wide discrepancy in energy output.
 
I didn't read it because how nonsense that post is. If you are not destroying a planet, then you are not planet level. Simple as that.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
I don't think you understand how this site works. Attack Potency (AP) is fundamentally different from Destructive Capacity or Capability (DC). AP deals with energy output per attack while DC is for the city-buster, planet-buster etc. terminology which is frequently seen in pop-culture. Even in similar destructive feats, there can be a wide discrepancy in energy output.
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Attack Potency of Naruto, is not planet level. Either you bring me a planet level feat of Naruto, or Naruto is not planet level.Simple as that. No one in Naruto is even planet level.
 
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