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Fate hax. Vampire v Hedgehog

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Sonic's fate hax really inconsistent with how it functions? He can still be defeated by normal means iirc.

Really, I don't think the "fate hax GG" argument isn't that great.
 
Sonic fatehax only prevents his death not incap

since there are no mentions of battle to death SBA would assume incap. idk much about remilia fatehax btw.
 
I mean if Sonic is baseline Remilia would win via attrition as she can KO him and he doesn't know she can't die right away.
 
Sonic's slightly above baseline, not like it matters.

What's her AP? Because Sonic's natural Damage Reduction kinda makes him a lot harder to deal with if the gap isn't enormous.
 
Then she's gonna have a hard time even meaningfully hurting him. The damage reduction seems to make him a Psuedo-stone wall.
 
Sonic is especially adept at being nimble. I'm not gonna say he's danmaku-dodging level, but his forte is being fast and applying it to avoid attacks. Case in point, him dodging the attacks of several characters at once and him running in between raindrops to stay dry. There's probably a few other things, but I'm lacking scans arm.
 
Touhou danmaku is impressive but being able to dodge raindrops (if he's standing out in the rain) and not getting touched is also impressive. Even if he is much faster than them, there's still a ton.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
I mean that's not exactly physically possible so I'd range that under bullshit feat.
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See Shadow's comment above. He can also create statues while in his Spin Dash, showing complete mastery over his mobility.

Also Speed Equalized doesn't negate Sonic's skill. I know that's not what you were arguing by saying speed is equalized, but he's essentially dodge-master supreme OvO PIS and surprises aside
 
It doesn't matter. You cannot physically do that because there aren't an endless amount of sonic-sized gaps between rain drops. Like you cannot survive lava by dodging every lava particle.

It doesn't matter anyway. Sonic's skill is not enough to counter danmaku spam for extended periods of time.
 
It's also impossible to reach speed the light yet a bunch of characters are faster than light. It's just one of those things that defies real life logic. Did Sonic make himself flat while avoiding the rain drops? Eh, probably not worth trying to make sense of it.
 
Invalidating a feat because it doesn't make sense isn't good for countering an argument. It's fiction, things that don't make sense are commonplace. Difference between lava and rain is that rain actually has some distance between each drop, be it small or not. Not everything will add up.

Sonic can just as easily turn himself invisible, and her Danmaku doesn't seem to home in on a target (if it is, Homing Attack needs to be added to her page). It'll be especially easy to do so if he turns invisible. If Sonic knows he can't dodge it, he'll turn intangible or invisible since either can work depending on the scenario. He's a combat pragmatist, he isn't gonna try and dodge something so blatantly nigh-unavoidable.
 
There is also distance between lava molecules. Yet you wouldn't assume someone capable of dodging those to be able to outdodge ******* molecules.

Invisible doesn't prevent homing attacks (which are automatic), or just covered the battlefield in bullets. And intangibility gets probably negged by NPI.
 
Outdodging molecules isn't equal to raindrops. There are such larger spaces between raindrops than molecules that it's sort of a joke to compare them. Point is that Sonic dodged rain, not much to be said. Whether it's bs or not within reality doesn't matter, the feat happened.

I'm not gonna claim it's invalid because it isn't on the profile (since that's just a stupid argument imo), but it's best to get Homing Attack on there.

Sonic still has Chaos Control, which he often uses during extremely difficult or bleak encounters when he has a Chaos Emerald on his person. He can loop back time by a few moments (such as ten seconds), can slow it or stop it altogether to make things a lot easier for him, and can teleport to get himself out of a tricky situation. If there was ever a time he'd use it, it would be here.

Power Rings are also a thing, which can BFR to other dimensions and have 2-A Power Null (both of which are thought-activated). Sonic has often lead with BFR with them, such as when he was in a fight against someone (I forgot who) that him and Tails couldn't beat. A few other occasions as well.

Couple that with Sonic still being able to take a good amount of attacks even if he does get hit due to Damage Reduction alongside his Instinctive Reaction (that's constantly slept on lol), and you have several ways Sonic can avoid attacks, counter, stall for time (or stop it), and outright beat Remilia. All without discussing Fatehax.

Sonic has my vote.
 
Basing from experience in Danmaku if you dodge at the wrong side you basically cornered yourself to get hit so dodging it isn't gonna always means you get out unscathed specially if you don't plan out your dodging and dodge by instinct at the very least you'll be grazed. also dodging something that is on the same speed as you is harder to achieve lets just assume that since speed is equalized sonic has to dodge raindrops that has the same speed as him and pair it with homing attack.

BFR and powernull is still easily a wincon for sonic

atm Sonic still has more chances of winning still Voting for Sonic
 
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