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Alex Mercer vs Sonic

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I mean, most of the hax abilities Sonic possesses comes from his power-ups or color powers, and I'm not even sure if it's in-character for Sonic to start off with those abilities (especially since he has the tendency to be overconfident and cocky to his opponents at times).

Mercer's win condition of gassing and infecting Sonic sounds like the quicker win condition here.
 
WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME!

All right sonic resist bio manip but thats only from chemical exposure (It's also something Im pretty sure shouldn't be there based on conversations with staff members, especially as the original addition was meant to be acid manip), his main advantage is bfr, deconstruction, and transmutation. none of which is his first move, he's cocky and not disease resistant.

Speed equal he runs into some problems as his usual means of attacking something is to rush in and spin dash it/use his sheild. This version of mercer is liable to gas/absorb at the start, sonics ap means if he gets off the hit before mercer gasses (Not possible speed equal) he can incap him for several hours and will eventually transmute.

I think sonics character screws him here, he needs to use hax to kill alex right away, he won't use hax before mercer does. Currently I see alex gassing, getting reduce to sludge/vapor/ash by sonics first hit and sonic collapsing three seconds later when his body is overwhelmed by the virus. Unless the ressurection brings him back in a different area he'll simply become infected again.

Saying all of this I could be incredibly wrong here, Im going solely off the profile. I have no idea how accurate my above summation is.
 
This looks suspiciously like this thread, but with different versions of Sonic instead. And from what I see, it seems like it's the same result as well.
 
Sonic does use his hax in character, he isn't that cocky.

And bio manip resistance means for everything, chemicals are only why he resists
 
Theuser789 said:
Sonic does use his hax in character, he isn't that cocky.

And bio manip resistance means for everything, chemicals are only why he resists
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But does he actually start off with them? I don't recall him starting off with his hax often in the cutscenes.

Eh, unless Sonic starts resisting Molecular scale abilities, he isn't resisting Biological Manipulation of Mercer's scale anyways.

Edit: Like Pen said below, that's not even counting how NLF that sounds.
 
Thats a pretty hard nlf. has he ever resisted molecular breakdown by a virus? His one feat is running through a chemical plant thats never shown feats of effecting dna. Sonic will use his hax but they aren't his first move. He's cocky and dies three seconds after exposure to mercers gas, so hes liable to in chacter attempt to yeet mercer with pure damage and sheilds that wont protect sonic from the gass. Alex is reduced to ash/vapor sonic dies soon after due to infection
 
Pretty much doom.... Sonics in character behavior and alex non threatening appearnce screw sonic here. To sonic alex just looks like a sickly human, hes not going to try and hax right away against a sickly human. He hits mercer into paste and proceeds to die to the gasses alex has released.
 
You all do know Sonic can ressurect via soul surge, and that he can immediately then use his hax afterwards

Plus he does use his hax, cutscenes aren't the best for video game characters abilities
 
Yeah but where does ressurect? If its in the same area he just dies again. His profile list him as cocky, why would a cocky person open with hax against a sickly human?
 
Theuser789 said:
You all do know Sonic can ressurect via soul surge, and that he can immediately then use his hax afterwards

Plus he does use his hax, cutscenes aren't the best for video game characters abilities
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And what exactly is the scale of that resurrection? Does it have explicit evidence of reverting Sonic's state into his previous state? Does it resurrect him in an another location?

Because from what I can see in his profile, that seems like a vanilla Resurrection ability that doesn't even prevent one's molecules from breaking down.

And cutscenes is literally evidence of how video game characters acts lorewise, which are perfectly viable to use as they're prime examples of how the video characters themselves behave in combat.
 
Sonic is cocky but isn't stupid, just confidant, if he gets himself killed he will get serious and use his hax immediately after coming back

Plus being cocky doesn't mean he doesn't use his hax, he can use it against Eggman robots
 
Yeah but why would he use hax against a sick human right away? You haven't expained. after hes killed can he respawn in a different location? If not he just dies to the gas again.
 
Theuser789 said:
Sonic is cocky but isn't stupid, just confidant, if he gets himself killed he will get serious and use his hax immediately after coming back

Plus being cocky doesn't mean he doesn't use his hax, he can use it against Eggman robots
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None of that proves anything against Mercer's hax. You still haven't elaborated on the scale and mechanics on Sonic's resurrection.

And the moment he gets infected, he literally can't do anything when his molecules gets infected and broken down (which renders his resurrection useless as it doesn't seem like it has any extraordinary mechanics). And you've just confirmed that he is cocky and that he could get himself killed... Which means his first move isn't going to be something he's going to recover from.
 
The ressurection comes from the soul, that's the soul surge ressurection, so the body doesn't matter, he doesn't need to respawn in a diferent location, just use a Wisp like Violet Void who can absorve the gás, or Jade Ghost making him intangible

I literaly explaneid why being cocky doesn't mean he won't use his hax
 
So hes used those abilities before he rezzed in the past? He can still activate abilities while dead? Hes rezzed after full body destruction before? He can ressurect without his body? No you explained he used them on robots, not why he would instantly use them against a sickly human that as far as sonic knows is no threat to him
 
Theuser789 said:
The ressurection comes from the soul, that's the soul surge ressurection, so the body doesn't matter, he doesn't need to respawn in a diferent location, just use a Wisp like Violet Void who can absorve the gás, or Jade Ghost making him intangible

I literaly explaneid why being cocky doesn't mean he won't use his hax
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"He doesn't need to respawn in a different location"

So he resurrects in the same location then. That means back to Sonic being passively infected by the viral gasses he goes, without any chance to retaliate. And unless there is evidence that Sonic's resurrection completely reforms an another body from nowhere (or completely overwrites the body), that doesn't prove that his resurrection can purge Sonic of the diseases in his body from Mercer's infection. Which means it doesn't prove why Sonic's resurrection would be able to bring Sonic's body back from being molecularly affected.
 
Yes it can, Sonic ressurects from the soul as explaneid, not just the body coming back, plus as K said he can immediately use his hax that beats him and the virus, that you all are ignoring

Yes he can ressurect without body, as I said it comes from the soul, he ressurects from his soul.

SBA means he knows he is a threat and he had to beat him, plus he can use his hax immediately after ressurection from his soul
 
Him ressurecting from his soul does not invalidate his need for a body so ill ask again has sonic respawned from compete moecular destruction? Can he ressurect without his body around/destroyed? Has he done so? If not claiming he can is a no limit fallacy

Sba demands sonic trys to beat him. it doesn't inform him his opponent is a viable threat, sonic is cocky and not liable to open with hax against an opponent he views as infinitly weaker then himsef.
 
Well, then he will know after coming back that he has a virus that can easily beat him

The fight goes like this, Sonic hits him, gets infected, dies, ressurects via his soul, immediately uses his Wisps
 
Theuser789 said:
Yes it can, Sonic ressurects from the soul as explaneid, not just the body coming back, plus as K said he can immediately use his hax that beats him and the virus, that you all are ignoring

Yes he can ressurect without body, as I said it comes from the soul, he ressurects from his soul.

SBA means he knows he is a threat and he had to beat him, plus he can use his hax immediately after ressurection from his soul
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And where is the evidence that he resurrects from the soul? All I can see from his profile is that his resurrection costs soul energy (heck, his manipulation of "soul energy" is even listed as Chi Manipulation). It didn't say that he only resurrected with just a soul.

Like I've mentioned above, I see no evidence of that in his profile. All I can see is that his resurrection costs soul energy (not actually resurrecting as a disembodied soul).

SBA says that a character has no inhibitions in fighting or killing an another character. It does not prevent CIS by any means, nor does it give prior knowledge.
 
he ressurects back into the cloud of virus and immediatly dies again and you stil havent anserwed my question has sonic ressurected without his body before, just because he needs his soul energy to revive doesnt change the fact he needs feats of returning without a body.
 
The soul guage is Sonic's soul energy, if he uses energy of the soul guage then he is ressurection from his soul, that's logical, it's stated he uses his soul energy.

If Sonic ressurects via his soul then he doesn't need to prove he doesn't need a body, that's logical

Plus Sonic could just start with his hax as he has done so before
 
No if he ressurects via soul energy and doesn't recreate his body everytime then its assumed he requires his body. Youd need to prove his body is a non factor, burden of proof falls to you. Considering your reluctance to bring proof of this ressurection Im going to assume he's never respawned after his body is destroyed.

He could but hes cocky and not liable to against a sickly looking human, instead he'll probably spindash, or shield tackle. both of which get him infected.
 
Theuser789 said:
The soul guage is Sonic's soul energy, if he uses energy of the soul guage then he is ressurection from his soul, that's logical, it's stated he uses his soul energy.

If Sonic ressurects via his soul then he doesn't need to prove he doesn't need a body, that's logical

Plus Sonic could just start with his hax as he has done so before
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That... Does not prove that Sonic can resurrect as just a disembodied soul. An analogy would be that a car needs fuel to be able to activate again. Just because the car needs fuel to come back, it doesn't mean that they are the fuel itself, or that they can come back with when the car itself is gone and there's only just the fuel around. In this case, just because he uses a type of energy to fuel his ability, it doesn't mean that he can resurrect as a disembodied soul. Especially when that energy seems like a fuel/cost for an ability and nothing more. That's not how it works.

None of this proves anything about Sonic's resurrection not needing a body. You just took Sonic's resurrection and extrapolated it to a absurd degree without any evidence.

You haven't even provided any example about him normally starting off with his hax in-character (especially based on the cutscenes), especially when his enemies aren't robots.
 
Sonic has used his hax against weaker opponents, he doesn't always use a physical attacks as well, he could just use his air kick from Lost World, or his Sonic Boom Shockwave attack, etc., being cocky doesn't mean he doesn't use his hax, that's completely unrelated

If Sonic ressurects via soul energy AKA his soul, then he doesn't need his body, that's simple logic, he doesn't need to show when Occam's razor assumes that if you can ressurect from your soul you then don't need your body
 
Theuser789 said:
Sonic has used his hax against weaker opponents, he doesn't always use a physical attacks as well, he could just use his air kick from Lost World, or his Sonic Boom Shockwave attack, etc., being cocky doesn't mean he doesn't use his hax, that's completely unrelated

If Sonic ressurects via soul energy AKA his soul, then he doesn't need his body, that's simple logic, he doesn't need to show when Occam's razor assumes that if you can ressurect from your soul you then don't need your body
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None of the examples you provided included his hax abilities such as certain abilities from his Color powers, or such. In fact, the examples you've provided seems to be physical attacks as well, or attacks based on physical damage.

No, using energy to fuel your ability doesn't mean that the source of the energy is the source itself. That's not how it works. And Occam's razor says that having a requirement to do something doesn't mean that their abilities operates at the scale of the requirement itself. In fact, that doesn't prove anything about Sonic being able to resurrect as just a disembodied soul.
 
That's a terrible analogy, soul surge his his soul energy, if he uses it to ressurect then he obviously doesn't need his body, only the soul to ressurect, it's not just fuel

Plus Sonic could just not use a physical attacks as he has done before, plus Sonic doesn't care about a enemy being a robot or not
 
Your failure to understand the neccessity of feats does not make you correct. Sonic hasn't regened without his body, thus until evidence is provided otherwise he cant. usining soul energy is not proof, so far it seem sonic requires an intact body and soul to ressurect.

can he activate those abilities from two hundred meters? Cause thats the range of alex gas... so again sonic rushes towards alex to take him down and finds himself infected. His body is destroyed and thus can res. Even assumin he can he res back into a cloud of gass.
 
prove it show sonic recreating his body/ressurecting after his body is destroyed there are several characters out there who use there souls to res and get screwed if there bodies are destroyed which seems to be the case here.

hes not liable to open with his hax against an infinitly weaker opponent, he rushes to attack sonic with whichever of the abitties you listed above and gets infected. mercer is reduced to sudge/vapor and recovers.
 
Theuser789 said:
That's a terrible analogy, soul surge his his soul energy, if he uses it to ressurect then he obviously doesn't need his body, only the soul to ressurect, it's not just fuel

Plus Sonic could just not use a physical attacks as he has done before, plus Sonic doesn't care about a enemy being a robot or not
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You think it's a terrible analogy, but nothing you said proves that the energy of the soul is the soul itself. In fact, requiring soul energy to resurrect doesn't mean you can resurrect as just a disembodied soul. And you didn't even provide any feats of Sonic resurrecting as just a disembodied soul. All you've provided is speculation that isn't supported by feats/scans.

You said that Sonic doesn't just use physical attacks, yet you never even provided examples of such. The examples you've provided is Sonic using attacks that are just based on physical damage.
 
I think this is cut and dry sonics in character attitude and behaviors screw him here. He's not liable to open with abilities that wil actually kill mercer and hes going to get himself infected in the process. lacking feats of returning to life without a body thats the end.
 
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