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Bleach: The worlds destruction

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The collapse

After the death of the Rei-o, all connected to the Soul Society would collapse, the worlds of the living, the Hueco world and even the Dangai.

Dangai
The Dangai is a space-time isolated from the others, it exists betwee the Soul Society and the world of the living, and works as a passage between them.

The Dangai is not a path in the vacuum that connects two planets, it is a space-time that connects two other spaces-times.Therefore, according to the previous statement, it can be said that the death of the Rei-o would entail not only the destruction of the planets, but all of the space-time, and consequently, of all the matter that exists in it.

The goal of Yhwach
Yhwach intended to create a world where life and death are just a one: [1]
"Yhwach meant to create a world where life and death are just one.
The path has been sealed Ichigo. The path to a world without fear.
The Living world. The Soul Society. Hueco Mundo. They all should have become one. Life and death were meant to be combined as one.
But that can no longer be. Thanks to you. Ichigo.
How disappointing. Because of you life and death will retain their shapes. All has life will continue to live in constant fear of death now."

The primordial world:
"During that age, all of creation was in a state of ambiguity. There was neither life nor death; progression and regression flickered to and fro. Swaying and swaying slowly; this waning and waxing world waited for a hundred million years to cool down. Eventually, Hollows became a part of the circulation of souls."

The separation of life and death:
"Using his powers of the Almighty as the 'keystone', the five of them created the foundation of a new world. Soul Society, the Material World and Hueco Mundo. Life and death were separated. The Soul Cycle ushered in a new era."

Basically, Yhwach's goal was to unite life and death again, bring the world to its former existence. In other words, literally undo what Prime Soul King did.

Outilier
There's no way this is an isolated feat. The creation of the worlds made by Soul King is currently classified as 4-A. Even if Soul King does not scale directly to anyone, a fraction of his power is able to reach a similar level. Which proves only that the 4-A is really extremely casual to the primordial form.

In addition, this same feat already showing several times in the work. Soul King weakened, Mimihagi and Yhwach proved themselves capable of stabilizing the worlds.

It was affirmed by Ichibei that Ichigo himself had the necessary to become Rei-o.
"But when the descendant, Ichigo appeared, possessing all the qualities that made him fit to replace the Rei-o, I really thought that history was repeating itself. Perhaps the world needs someone like him."

The proposed level
The weakened version of Soul King should be 4-A per stabilize two spaces-times that contains countless stars.

Mimihagi and Yhwach have literally the same feat, and they should also be classified as 4-A.

Ichigo and Aizen scale for the reasons already listed in their profiles.
 
I still think everyone besides prime soul king stays at 5-B. It's more consistent for everyone to remain the same where as Prime Soul King has no feats holding this new rating back.
 
I don't agree really, the merging of the three worlds had nothing to do with the entire dimensions. Solely the planets and what connects to them or is on them.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
I don't agree really, the merging of the three worlds had nothing to do with the entire dimensions. Solely the planets and what connects to them or is on them.
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That's the point, there's nothing that connects the planets. The Dangai connects the two space-times.

"Not just the Soul Society... but all that is connected to it... Dangai... Hueco Mundo... The World of the living... it will all collapse!"
This is clearly related to the dimensions.

'Planets' do not fit in any way in the context of the feat.
According to Yhwach, what destabilizes the Soul Society is the enormous flow of Konpaku .
The Konpakus pass through the dimensions themselves, some Konpakus join in Kyougokus, structures that exist around Dangai .
This again proves that it is the dimensions that need to be stabilised. Not the planets.
 
You're already incorrect since its proven that it's not the flow of souls that destabilizes Soul Society, we've already had that CRT.

The Soul King's power alone stabilizes the realms and keeps the planets apart.
 
what about the infinite sized muken that is in SS that would have also be affected by the merging ? isn't that an argument ?

i'm neutral on the upgrade so far btw.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
You're already incorrect since its proven that it's not the flow of souls that destabilizes Soul Society, we've already had that CRT.
The Soul King's power alone stabilizes the realms and keeps the planets apart.
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I remember seeing something about it on this wiki. So you really think the planets collapse by gravitational attraction?
THE GRAVITY, a curvature in itself space-time affecting a body that is not in this space-time.

We have a clear statement, given by the author himself. And we have a 'theory', which is physically impossible.
It's not too hard to figure out which one is valid.
 
The flow of souls stabilizing SS is a mistranslation. That was already debunked in the CRT and that's why God Tiers were upgraded back to Planet level, and thanks to some back up info from the Light Novel that supported their 5-B tier.
 
AppleLord said:
The flow of souls stabilizing SS is a mistranslation. That was already debunked in the CRT and that's why God Tiers were upgraded back to Planet level, and thanks to some back up info from the Light Novel that supported their 5-B tier.
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I'm aware of that.

In the wrong Translation Yhwach explains that the Soul King was created to stabilize the amount of souls that pass through Soul Society from The World of the Living.

The official translation Yhwach explains that Soul King was created to stabilize the Soul Society. Where large quantities of souls pass.

The only difference is that Soul King stabilizes the world and not the flow of souls. But it is still the flow of souls that causes the collapse of the worlds.
 
do we really have to go back on this topic again ? Can't Fear Your Own World specifically explained what the soul king does and why the worlds would collapse if they are not hold at all time and souls flow have nothing to do with it.

keep up with the last bleach news or just read the thread that got bleach to 5-B again as most of the sources and proofs are listed there
 
  • "But it is still the flow of souls that causes the collapse of the worlds."
Incorrect. It's the Quincy erasing souls from the circle of reincarnation over time that causes the collapse of the world. The Soul King stabilizes the worlds, but erasing souls from existence even if VSBW doesn't want to give Quincy Existence Erasure is what's causing the unbalance of Life and Death since Bleach is set on a reincarnation cycle afterlife. Quincy destroying souls shouldn't be soul destruction because every other character who is a soul and destroys a soul would have soul destruction (except for zanpakutous) but the souls still go to soul Society after been destroyed by a Hollow, Fullbring, Kido, etc. Quincy erase said souls from the cycle of reincarnation but they don't erase said souls from people 's memories. Maybe that's why existence erasure was negated to Quincies.
 
The Prime SK split the original universe. At the lowest interpretation of this, we assume that the process went something like this:

- World of the Living is the 'original' space and the PSK left 'life'

- PSK separated 'death' and created Soul Society and Hueco Mundo

- PSK extracted what is 'Hell' from the original space and shoved it into its own space

Because we do not assume that PSK created the World of the Living's universe, he gets 4-A for creating SS because that is the rating we can visibly give it. This is acceptably reasonable.

To reiterate the OP and quote myself from another thread:

'However, with the context given to use through Ichibe's info dump the Prime Soul King separated 'life' and 'death' into 'the world of the living' - which is Earth - and 'the world of the dead' - which is Soul Society (and Hueco Mundo).

In this case Yhwach reaching his goal would require him to perform the Prime Soul King's definitive feat, just in reverse.'
 
AppleLord said:
* "But it is still the flow of souls that causes the collapse of the worlds."
Incorrect. It's the Quincy erasing souls from the circle of reincarnation over time that causes the collapse of the world. The Soul King stabilizes the worlds, but erasing souls from existence even if VSBW doesn't want to give Quincy Existence Erasure is what's causing the unbalance of Life and Death since Bleach is set on a reincarnation cycle afterlife. Quincy destroying souls shouldn't be soul destruction because every other character who is a soul and destroys a soul would have soul destruction (except for zanpakutous) but the souls still go to soul Society after been destroyed by a Hollow, Fullbring, Kido, etc. Quincy erase said souls from the cycle of reincarnation but they don't erase said souls from people 's memories. Maybe that's why existence erasure was negated to Quincies.
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Exactly, the eradication of Hollows made by the Quincys causes instability.

But the concept behind it is not the existence erasure. By destroying Hollows, the Quincys cause instability because this increases the number of souls in the world of the living and decreases in the Soul Society . What causes collapse in is the difference in the number of souls in the worlds.

This in no way applies only to the Quincys. That in no way applies only to the Quincys. For example, half the human population simply dies naturally, most of the dead go to the Soul Society, it would cause a collapse. Because? In this scenario, the amount of souls in the Soul Society would be 3 times greater than that of the worlds of the living.
Simply put, Soul King exists to stabilize the world from the flow of souls that come and go constantly. The fact that the world instantly collapses with his death confirms it.
 
It doesn't work like that GDEM. According to estimates by demographic researchers at the Population Reference Bureau (PRB), as of 2015, there have been 108.2 billion who have ever been born. Taking away the roughly 7.4 billion who are alive today, we get 100.8 billion who have died before us.

There are almost 14x more people dead than alive!

Yamamoto's Bankai can summon "Ten Trillion" skeletons of people who he have killed in his past live. Even if we reduce the among of souls destroyed by the Quincy over a 1,000 years period, the amount of souls in SS still get balance by Mayuri who killed all those souls in the Rukongai and send them to be reborn again in the world of the living without permission. That's assuming we don't count yamamoto's "Ten Trillion" dead as a hyperbole.
 
Souls in SS get reincarnated in the Living world when die though, and with how violent some of the districts in the Rukongai are I can believe that enough die to keep the balance, I doubt that there are that many more souls in SS that in the Living world.

And if Yama's Bankai is accurate then that's ten trillion souls reincarnated back into the living world.(And even if it is an exaggeration, he's still killed a shit ton of souls remember how the initial Gotei 13 were)
 
The proposed level The weakened version of Soul King should be 4-A per stabilize two spaces-times that contains countless stars.

Dude?you changed your opinion to "they only stabilize the flow of souls" so fast?

Iam not sayin that i disagree or something but is this an upgrade or downgrade?
 
Soul King exists to stabilize the world from the flow of souls that come and go constantly. The fact that the world instantly collapses with his death confirms it.

Preschool interpretation. Not surprising, after all, this profile was created with the sole purpose of commenting on this.
 
Is "fiction" you can apply "real-life" concepts to an argument, otherwise is not even an argument. Works of Fiction are always base on "real-life" until told otherwise by the author. Thanks for providing the scans to what I was saying about Mayuri.
 
AppleLord said:
Is "fiction" you can applied "real-life" to it argument is not even an argument. Works of Fiction are always base on "real-life" until told otherwise by the author. Thanks for providing the scans to what I was saying about Mayuri.
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Precisely. But If you look at my comment a little better, you'll see the scan that states what I said.
 
GDEM said:
AppleLord said:
Is "fiction" you can applied "real-life" to it argument is not even an argument. Works of Fiction are always base on "real-life" until told otherwise by the author. Thanks for providing the scans to what I was saying about Mayuri.
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Precisely. But If you look at my comment a little better, you'll see the scan that states what I said.
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You talked about the "flow" of souls which is in no way the same as the "quantity" of souls.
 
Tentatively, this could also suggest that none of the three realms remain on the original plane, and that the Prime SK split the original universe into three, instead of 'just' creating new worlds for the dead to inhabit.

Well, idk if that would be higher or lower tho.
 
other statements said that SK created everything in the SS dimension so he clearly didn't "just" split the universe in 3
 
Why is creating Soul Society considered 4-A when it's the same size as the Real World (universe)?

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Furthermore, there is also the fact that Muken was created which is literally infinite in size.

Honestly, 4-A doesn't seem like the correct rating here.
 
OrangeberrySama said:
Why is creating Soul Society considered 4-A when it's the same size as the Real World (universe)?
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Furthermore, there is also the fact that Muken was created which is literally infinite in size.

Honestly, 4-A doesn't seem like the correct rating here.
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4-A is a low ball and was given because we see multiple stars in the SS dimension.

PSK couldn't really be given universe level as there was no statement that he created a universe sized dimension

but now new info came out like the infinite muken wich we may be able to change his rating , along yhwach .
 
@Naeblis495

But there is...Rei-ō is stated to have at least created Soul Society and Hueco Mundo. Soul Society is a universe sized dimension and either way, the fact that he created Muken (which is infinite in size) means that tier 4-A is more than just a lowball, it's blatantly incorrect.

And Muken being infinite in size is not "new information".
 
well , if you can find a statement clearly saying that SS and HM are universe sized that would be good .

as for muken it was just missed and not even considered , so that's why i said new
 
SS being Universe sized makes no sense really

SS exists within the same universe as the real world, the same universe which already existed before the SK

Human world = Earth

SS = Human world

The cycle of reincarnation only exists between these two, and that's what Yhwach wanted to end, it makes no sense for him to want to destroy the entire realms when he only needed to destroy earth and the soul society planet
 
same universe but different dimmension iirc, but i also agree that he only needed to destory the earth and ss planet
 
Yeah it is a different dimension in the same universe

But nothing suggests Yhwach was going to destroy the entire dimension, him undoing what the SK did refers to the splitting of the reincarnation cycle between earth and SS planet
 
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