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Possible Constantine Upgrades

Hello everyone. John's profile here on the Wiki seems a bit lacking and I think it could use a little bit of an overhaul. On top of me personally, finding it tiring that there aren't any non-prep fights for him I want to give him a more rounded moveset that doesn't involve prep.

Striking Strength

JC deforms coffee mahine


Here JC deforms a coffee machine

JC Destroys door


And here John outright destroys a wooden door with one kick, which has been previously calc'd to be at least 516 KJ. Though John didn't completely frag the door even a fiftheenth of this value would be 9-B and he performed it very casually.

Currently: Street Level, Suggested: Wall Level

Attack Potency


As above entails, it's safe to say JC's offensive magic should at least be stronger than himself. I undertand that every spell is different in potency, range, charge time, etc. But there are more than a handful of spells that he ca use on the fly.

JC vapz SW


John vaporizes Swamp Things head. And N52 Swamp Thing is bulletproof.

And the demon that John was pecking out of the sky could destroy a large portion of a building.

BL destroys building
BL destroys building2


Currently: Street level physically. Unknow with magic Suggested: Wall Level physically, At least Wall Level likely Building Level, possibly higher with Magic.

Durability

Here we go.

JC wall bust


John gets his head busted straight through a concrete wall and cracks the surrounding area.

JC fall


JC fall2


JC fall3


John survives a Multi-story fall. Since in the first image, he jumps out the left facing window and we don't see it on the bottom image it's hard to say whether this was a 4 story fall or 5 stories. I'll roll with 5 stories since that seems more likely. A building storey is about 4.3 m

5*4.3=21.5 m. John Constantine weighs 72 kgs according to the wiki and judging from his frame this looks appropriate.

Plugging in the height of 21.5 m with a weight of 72 kgs into the splat calculator gives us 15,170 J Wall Level. Narrowly above baseline 9-B

FinallyJohn survives this explosion.

JC Explosion1
JC Explosion2


I've rounded the explosion based on the entrance and exiting points of the explosion on the sides of the panel. We can see a steel I-beam in frame which I have at 4 px. Steel I-Beams are 25 cm in width and I have he explosion at 930 px or 58.12 m in diameter.

This is easily Building Level and coinciding with John easily taking down Blight with a spell (Not killing him but his spell clearly hurt him more than Blight busting out the side of a building) this could push John to 8-C in physicals but with little physical strength feats to corroborate this, I remain skeptical. But at the very least his Dura and AP are definitely here.

Current: Street level physically. Unknow with magic Suggested: At least Wall Level, likely Building Level

Speed


Eh. I got nothing outside aim dodging firearms. He did consistently outreact and outmaneuver the Justice League Dark [JLD (2011)#30 pg. 12-18]however. A team consisting of Deadma, Frankenstei, Nightmare Nurse and Black Orchid (DC). So maybe Peak Human movement and reactions are in order?

What do you guys think? Let me know.
 
Sorry I just gave my opinion, an admin or content moderator should evaluate that.
 
That's good, calcs should preferably go in blogs tho (as what we show to others would be that, little more than just the calc and someone accepting it).

If no one evaluates it in a while you can directly ask a calc member to do so.
 
lol

>First it was a blog

>I was told to put in Content Revision

>Now I put it in Evaluations

I JUST WANT CONSTANTINE VS HELLBOY ALREADY DAMMIT!
 
The door fragging should work, dunno about context behind Swamp Thing so I won't comment on that. I'm fine with the upgrades in general, also good choice. Hellboy is one of the few comic book characters I enjoy (same for Constantine but that's mostly because of the movie).
 
See the problem is that There's not yet a separate profile or proper split keys between Pre and Post Flashpoint.

That's why I delete my 2 threads for Constantine.
 
ABoogieYesSir said:
See the problem is that There's not yet a separate profile or proper split keys between Pre and Post Flashpoint.
That's why I delete my 2 threads for Constantine.
Why delete the threads? They aren't seperate on the site they're joined as just "Canon" Constantine.
 
New 52 Constantine and Pre-Flashpoint Constantine need different keys or better, separate profiles. New 52 had completely different powers and aptitude with magic. Conflating the two now will just lead to more difficulties down the road for whoever revamps the profile.


New 52 also had a different history. That was later retconned into another new history in the DCYou era, before Rebirth restored much of his Pre-Flashpoint history. They're not the same characters any more than Rebirth Wonder Woman is the exact same as Post-Crisis Wonder Woman.
 
I meant their profiles have the same aforementioned. I acknowledge that Vertigo JC and DC JC aren't literally the same but if the VBW conflates them as "Canon" that's what I'm judging off of. I rather have them together as Canon personally, it makes discerning between the 2 far less of a headache without having to look up each individual scan or feat.
 
Constantine's backstory was outright rewritten in the N52 comics (which include Zatanna and Nick Necro as key characters in his past), so yeah, the two characters are canonically different and should have different keys or profiles.
 
Well then damn. Now we need to make up a profile doc for DC John. Do we distinguish between Post Flashpoint and Rebirth as well? Because that's 3 new Keys. Vertigo/Post-Flashpoint/Rebirth.
 
I don't know about Rebirth. I'm not familiar with any of the stories in that continuity.
 
Necro'ing/Bumping for necessary changes. Can these feats be applied to the Canon Key for JC or should new keys be created before such applications? The feats still apply and definitely change his 9-C ratings regardless.
 
I can't see where John is hurting the 8-C demon, but apart from.that, everything seems fine
 
Andytrenom said:
I can't see where John is hurting the 8-C demon, but apart from.that, everything seems fine
John's charms hurt Blight (The 8-C demon) here and here . (In the second image he also survive a glancing blow)

On top of this he can hurt monster that hurt him and he survived a building level explosion. So can these all go through?
 
The feat would actually have to be calced, we don't give 8-C ratings based on assumptions anymore
 
Andytrenom said:
The feat would actually have to be calced, we don't give 8-C ratings based on assumptions anymore
Ok, I'll see what I can do. Can I just post the calc here in the comments with the appropriate links?
 
Hello everyone. John's profile here on the Wiki seems a bit lacking and I think it could use a little bit of an overhaul. On top of me personally, finding it tiring that there aren't any non-prep fights for him I want to give him a more rounded moveset that doesn't involve prep.

Striking Strength

JC deforms coffee mahine


Here JC deforms a coffee machine

JC Destroys door


And here John outright destroys a wooden door with one kick, which has been previously calc'd to be at least 516 KJ. Though John didn't completely frag the door even a fiftheenth of this value would be 9-B and he performed it very casually.

Currently: Street Level, Suggested: Wall Level

Attack Potency


As above entails, it's safe to say JC's offensive magic should at least be stronger than himself. I undertand that every spell is different in potency, range, charge time, etc. But there are more than a handful of spells that he ca use on the fly.

JC vapz SW


John vaporizes Swamp Things head. And N52 Swamp Thing is bulletproof.

And the demon that John was pecking out of the sky could destroy a large portion of a building.

BL destroys building
BL destroys building2


Currently: Street level physically. Unknow with magic Suggested: Wall Level physically, At least Wall Level likely Building Level, possibly higher with Magic.

Durability

Here we go.

JC wall bust


John gets his head busted straight through a concrete wall and cracks the surrounding area.

JC fall


JC fall2


JC fall3


John survives a Multi-story fall. Since in the first image, he jumps out the left facing window and we don't see it on the bottom image it's hard to say whether this was a 4 story fall or 5 stories. I'll roll with 5 stories since that seems more likely. A building storey is about 4.3 m

5*4.3=21.5 m. John Constantine weighs 72 kgs according to the wiki and judging from his frame this looks appropriate.

Plugging in the height of 21.5 m with a weight of 72 kgs into the splat calculator gives us 15,170 J Wall Level. Narrowly above baseline 9-B

FinallyJohn survives this explosion.

JC Explosion1
JC Explosion2


I've rounded the explosion based on the entrance and exiting points of the explosion on the sides of the panel. We can see a steel I-beam in frame which I have at 4 px. Steel I-Beams are 25 cm in width and I have he explosion at 930 px or 58.12 m in diameter.

This is easily Building Level and coinciding with John easily taking down Blight with a spell (Not killing him but his spell clearly hurt him more than Blight busting out the side of a building) this could push John to 8-C in physicals but with little physical strength feats to corroborate this, I remain skeptical. But at the very least his Dura and AP are definitely here.

Current: Street level physically. Unknow with magic Suggested: At least Wall Level, likely Building Level

Speed


Eh. I got nothing outside aim dodging firearms. He did consistently outreact and outmaneuver the Justice League Dark [JLD (2011)#30 pg. 12-18]however. A team consisting of Deadma, Frankenstei, Nightmare Nurse and Black Orchid (DC). So maybe Peak Human movement and reactions are in order?

What do you guys think? Let me know

Constantine is able to hold off the Great Darkness which existed before Presence's creation and defeated the likes of Etrigan, Doctor Fate, Phantom Stranger and the Spectre.

So is there a possible upgrade?
 
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