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The God of High School General Revision Thread

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Ok, now that AP has been settled, there is the matter of Powers and Abilities. This revision will be divided into 3 parts. The first part will be discussing the Borrowed Power P&A page I made which can be found here. The second part will be discussing Greed, and all its applications. The third and final part will be discussing individual powers.

Part 1
As outlined in my P&A page proposal, Borrowed Power should grant the following abilities:

Non-Corporeality: Borrowed Powers are powers that derive from tons of sources, including deceased people and spirits. If that wasn't enough, King Uma is literally a ghost and a Borrowed Power. Plus, Dean was able to use Mahnsin Lee as a Borrowed Power right after he died. There are so many more examples of this but these are the main supporting ones.

Non-Physical Interaction: Borrowed Powers can interact with Borrowed Powers. Seems straightforward enough.

Summoning: Again, straightforward. O can summon Changsik, Q can summon clowns, Jegal can summon any Borrowed Power he's eaten and so on.

Empowerment: This may be a bit controversial, but Mira was able to form a Direct Contract mid battle due to her immense determination and desperation. This might be a special case, but I'm inclined to believe anyone can do it with enough determination as Mira has never been stated to be any more special than any other Power Borrower like Samuel or Ilpyo.

Part 2
Ok, time to address the elephant in the room. Greed has been stated to be a Borrowed Power, but I disagree because at the time they called it a Borrowed Power, they didn't know what the heck it was, and later on it is explained what Greed actually is, so I'm excluding Greed from being a Borrowed Power.

Now the thing I want to discuss is Greed's potency, when in the hands of R. Originally, I thought Greed could consume type 2 concepts on the account of it being able to consume the Taboo placed on humans globally, even affecting Ilpyo, who was in the Divine Realm at the time. The problem lies in the fact that author-nim soft retconned what Taboo was later on by stating that it was a genetic seal placed on humans that prevented them from evolving and attaining power comparable to the Gods.

Monarch argued that since the seal was physical in nature, Greed shouldn't have conceptual consumption. However, that doesn't explain how Greed ate Ilpyo's Taboo when he wasn't physically present.

Moreover, we should discuss what Taboo actually is, as over the course of the series, it has become increasingly apparent that not even author-nim knows what the heck Taboo is, as it was originally stated that Keys can break the Taboo, yet Ilpyo still had the Taboo after breaking it in the Sage Realm?

Part 3
This part will be kind of open ended. I want this to be a discussion of individual Borrowed Powers and how they affect certain characters. For example, R should get resurrection, as Fanimer, who had Garuda as his Borrowed Power at the time, was able to resurrect after getting a bullet shot through his head, killing him. This would give God's Absorbed R 3 forms of resurrection, them being: Greed, who will consume R and resurrect him as long as Greed deems him worthy; Satan, who has to activate his resurrection before death; and Garuda, who can resurrect his Power Borrower after death.

I think that after this discussion, there shouldn't be any more major CRTs that I'd have to make, so I hope this covers everything that's an issue right now.

Also, small addition, but can we also start using the translated names of all the characters from the official Line Webtoon translation? It makes things easier without having to hyphenate all the characters names.
 
I would also like to add that there are strong indications that Borrowed Powers are the souls of the original beings.

1) When R was channeling the Borrowed Powers of the Gods, Satan and Odin slumped over like lifeless husks until Mori was able to snap them back into their original bodies.

2) Most Borrowed Powers are of deceased people with no physical bodies to speak of. Their power is lent to their users as spirits.

3) Possibly the most obvious piece of evidence is King Uma, who is literally a ghost. Yet she is able to be used as a Borrowed Power.

Just pointing out that Non-Corporeal Borrowed Powers are very legitimate and not something I pulled out of JoJo thin air.
 
Power additions seem fine from what i remember. I can already hear people wanting to call out R's last key since he literally never used any of those powers other than just throwing the Charyeoks themselves at Jin.

As for Greed, that should be more of a range feat than any real issue afaik.
 
As stated by Mori, R summoned his Borrowed Powers in haste. Had he summoned them one at a time or had the time to channel their power, he should be no different from the other Power Borrowers.

Also the issue with Greed is that so far in the series, it had to always touch the target physically to affect them. But Ilpyo was way out of Greed's range and was still affected.
 
Also, while we're on the topic of P&A, Martial Arts should give everyone higher AP when used. Besides Re-Taekwondo, there are other instances where performing a Martial Arts move allowed people to harm characters much more powerful than they were.

1) Hallyeo's Panhandler brusing Zeus.

2) Mori's Recoilless attacks tearing the armoursuits when he previously couldn't even harm Dean.

3) The statement that Martial Arts was made after the Original Way of Borrowed Power was gone as a way to make up for the Taboo.
 
I believe for Borrowed power there should be a label afterword to let a person know what type it is like Borrowed Power (Summoning) or Borrowed Power (Direct Contract) since not all Borrowed Powers summon things.

I believe Borrowed Power users should have Statistics Amplification since using it increases the users God Points by a pretty large amount as seen with Q when his GP went to 2500 when he activated his Borrowed Power against Jin.

On the Greed situation, I believe a possibly for Conceptual type 2 is good since there isn't a way to explain why Ilpyo (or any human who protected themself from greed when it covered the Earth) where affected by taboo being eaten when they never had physical contact with greed.Even Ilpyo's Nine Tail seal remover ability was shown to be non-physical but he broke the taboo for Park, the blue haired chick and O who were in a different dimension entirely in chapter 151.Possibly should be fine.
 
That's just my sandbox. I was using Dean's page as a template for Samuel's page. You can ignore anything past the first part really, as the main focus is the Borrowed Power P&A page I intend to make which is at the top.
 
I agree with the power additions, also it was stated in a chapter that Zeus had the ability to give and remove powers. So I would also say to add Power Bestowal for Zeus. The king also bestowed the sage eye and its abilities to Dae-Wi. Also, Mori in his Dan form was able to see through a dudes hypnosis and illusions, possible resistance to illusions.

Power Bestowal: Zeus and The King

Resistance to Hypnosis and Illusions: Mori

Also, shouldn't Mori get Law manipulation as he was able to place the same law that Greed destroyed on the gods?
 
The Law Manip is selective and can only be done if a representative from each affected faction agrees to the terms.

Also GP is a way to track the strength of your Borrowed Power. This is evident in the fact that when Ilpyo went 9 tailed fox, his GP became -1. 9 tailed fox has powers that directly oppose the Gods and it makes sense for it to be -1 since GP guages how close your connection to "God" is.

So if someone can pull me a scan of GP increasing when Borrowed Power is active, I can give BP users Statistics Amplification.

Nvm, found it. When Jegal gets beaten by Ilpyo and Greed resurrected him his GP increased from 49 to 1950. Stat Amp is real.
 
As for my last point, the translated names would be:

Jin Mo-Ri to Mori Jin

Han Dae-Wi to Daewi Han

Yu Mi-Ra to Mira Yoo

Park Mu-Jin to Mujin Park

Park Il-Pyo to Ilpyo Park

Lee Soo-Jin to Sujin Lee

Jeon Jae-San to Jaesan Jeon

Baek Seung-Chul to Seungcheol Baek

Jin Tae-Jin to Taejin Jin

Hui Mo-Ri to Mori Hui

Sang Man-Duk to Mandeok Sang

Taek Jae-Kal to Jegal Taek
 
It may be a stretch but it could be because Mori erased his name from the hell registry, but that's a huge stretch.

It's more likely the divine pellet restored Mori and it was a one time thing.

As for the Greed thing, I'd like Monarch to comment here with his thoughts on the matter, as he was the one who disagreed with conceptual Greed.
 
Sir Ovens said:
It may be a stretch but it could be because Mori erased his name from the hell registry, but that's a huge stretch.
It's more likely the divine pellet restored Mori and it was a one time thing.
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That would be sick as hell if that was true or confirmed.

I thought so too but after reading the chapter that came before and after and knowing what the Divine Pellet does, that isn't what's implied at all and the Old dude who knew all about the sage pill didn't know what happened to Jin and it's implied that the sage pill wasn't a factor at all.Could be a one off dropped plot point maybe?

I don't see why Monarch would be needed for regen negation for Greed, that's pretty cut and dry (though he can give his input if he wants obviously)
 
Considering this is the same guy who can't draw a planet consistently within the same chapter, I'm inclined to say yes, this is a dropped plot point.
 
Daewi and Mira's profiles need adjusting to the current standards. I'll also add Borrowed Power to the relevant pages.
 
Okay, what the ****? I just found another statement with healing negation for GoH characters.

Na Bong-Chim's accupuncture prevented Jin from Healing with nano tech

Q's borrowed power attack on Jin(the one that killed him) couldn't be healed with nano tech

Oh Sung-Jin's borrowed power attack on Yu Mi Ra couldn't be healed with nano tech
 
Nanotechnology that can cure cancer, can't heal wounds. Seems legit.
 
It wasn't until 17 years after Ragnarok that they were able to heal cancer (Gen 5 or Version 5 nanotech). I know the first gen of nanotech where ale to heal missing chuncks of flesh to the bone and broken bones.
 
Still, early GoH nanotech was able to heal broken bones at the very least.
 
I agree with all the BP stuff

So, if it was able to heal missing chunks of flesh, that means it's at least high-low healing negation.

Also, just pointing out, but cancer's a unique thing, with a completely different method of treating to wounds. Healing working on one but not the other is reasonable, going in either direction.

Also, does anyone know what chapter the most recent taboo explanation was given? I wanna read over it again.

As for specific character ability additions: Satan should have the powers of other first realm gods and maybe Garuda added, as he's supposedly fought and defeated them in the past, and thus would have copied their abilities. He should also have the abilities of other opponents Jin and Dae-Wi have fought/seen being fought from when he read their minds (listed as a "possibly"). It might also be worth adding as a weakness that he seemingly only uses techniques he finds cool, and likes testing the abilities he gains out before going all out. The bit about not changing his own body to be like the opponent's, and about being overwhelmed by Jin after using the same multiplier should be removed, since Satan was able to handle the 52x better than Jin (not even wincing when he felt the recoil), And never got a chance to use 250kx
 
Blahblah9755 said:
He should also have the abilities of other opponents Jin and Dae-Wi have fought/seen being fought from when he read their minds (listed as a "possibly").
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No.

I can buy copying the power by reading the mind of the user who actually knows how to use the power and thus learning how to use it himself. That makes sense.

Saying he should have the powers of everyone that Jin and Han have ever fought, when A) Han and Jin don't even know how to use those powers so reading their minds wouldn't give him that information and B) that he automatically scans the person's entire mind right down to old memories that they weren't even thinking about when they were fighting him is a massive assumption.

In regards to B), especially when doing a complete read through of Jin's entire mind would have led him to already have X250,000 right from the very start of their fight.
 
Dienomite brought up a very good point regarding scaling High 6-C to Chapter 2 characters.

My only issue is that High 6-C for characters was backscaling from Mandeok somewhat harming Taejin. And the High 6-C feat was close to baseline so it could make Chapter 2 bois 6-C+.
 
Sir Ovens said:
My only issue is that High 6-C for characters was backscaling from Mandeok somewhat harming Taejin. And the High 6-C feat was close to baseline so it could make Chapter 2 bois 6-C+.
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That would work
 
About the case of Taboo, I remember it being stated that it prevented humans from hurting gods directly, be it physically or using charyuok(and chi and apparently magic).

Hench why something scientific such as a nuke killing angels and nephlem make sense, which explains Mubong right now. With his angle, even if taboo is back, science can still hurt gods.

I guess author took advantage of leaving the explanation open that he added it as a genetic and not only a supernatural thing. To not only act as a shield but a limiter(I dont think it's new though, remembering back to when Mubong and Jesoen were fighting Manduk, they were struggling almost like they couldn't break their limits.)
 
The thing about Taboo is depending on what it is, it affects what Greed can do.
 
It's something in human DNA

Exhibit A: Generation X is stronger because unlike the older generations, they don't even have the remnants of the Taboo in their DNA
 
Do you guys remember what chapter Mubong gave his explanation in? Cause although we know it's something in DNA (we literally see that generation X's DNA seems to mutate as they fight to strengthen them and give them new powers, let them learn eachother's techniques, etc) whether it's a physical restriction on DNA, a law restricting DNA, etc is important. I wanna reread the chapter with Mubong's description to see if we can gleam anything from it.
 
The reason that conceptual Greed is even still debated is because it ate Ilpyo's Taboo while he was still in the Sage Realm. The Taboo itself not being a law has already been accepted.
 
Blahblah9755 said:
Do you guys remember what chapter Mubong gave his explanation in? Cause although we know it's something in DNA (we literally see that generation X's DNA seems to mutate as they fight to strengthen them and give them new powers, let them learn eachother's techniques, etc) whether it's a physical restriction on DNA, a law restricting DNA, etc is important. I wanna reread the chapter with Mubong's description to see if we can gleam anything from it.
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https://www.webtoons.com/en/action/the-god-of-high-school/ep-383/viewer?title_no=66&episode_no=386
 
So in regards to taboo and greed, here are the things I found noteworthy to consider:

The genetic part of taboo is represented as encasing genes to keep them from evolving (based on the fact that real world evolution still occurs, and on generation X's evolution, taboo seems to slow down evolution drastically, and put a limit on the way they evolve.)

Powers derived from science/mixing science with technique such as the supernuke are still affected by the taboo.

When Greed eats the taboo, it's stated in narration to be bending the laws of the universe. This is visually displayed by having the letters alpha and omega (note the two keys are called Omega and Alpha, and the lock is designed with a stylized omega and alpha in it) twisted and distorted out of their shape and into an infinity symbol as the lock of the taboo is shattered. (Fun note that may or may not matter at all, just before this greed had taken on the form of the ouroboros, which is another symbol for infinity, that was brought to the West/Europe through Greece. So the transformation of the Greek letters representing the two keys into the infinity symbol also seems to be a really nice visual metaphor for the keys roles being usurped by Greed.)

The lock Greed destroyed us also fundamentally different from the part in the genes, as it was hidden within the life force of all living beings on the planet, and it was destroyed after being removed from them, which wouldn't leave fragments like what's been left on the DNA.

That lock also only came from people on Earth, since that was all he was able to draw life force from, but it still affected beings off of Earth equally. This isn't just the author forgetting where Ilpyo is, since his location is directly mentioned in the episode.

The law created by the contract the gods signed keeping the, from interfering is directly stated to be taboo, and it works by causing barriers to naturally appear in front of any god that tries to interfere with human matters.

Also: the taboo is placed on all organisms, not just humans, as shown by the way R breaking it helped a dying blue bird, and from the fact that he took the taboo from the life forces of all things on Earth, not just all humans.
 
Based on Dienomite's analysis of the scaling, Chapter 2 will have a very different set of stats.

Taejin's High 6-C feat was done in his prime, so:

Prime Taejin > Old Taejin => Mandeok Sang = Mujin Park > Comissioners > Contestants

Based on this scaling chain, and the fact that the High 6-C feat was pretty close to baseline, Comissioners should be around baseline High 6-C, and Contestants 6-C+. At least just for Chapter 2.

As for the Low 6-B feat, it upscales to anyone stronger than Comissioners, and backscales to Contestants.

What this changes:

Chapter 2 Mori Jin and all who scale, At least 6-C+, possibly Low 6-B

Greed Consumed Jegal, and 8x Mori, High 6-C, possibly 6-B (8.5 teratons)

9 Tailed Fox Jegal and Ilpyo, At least High 6-C, possibly 6-B

Mujin and all who scale with him and above him should be, High 6-C, possibly Low 6-B
 
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