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Here it is guys!. Welcome to the final thread to my huge Danny Phantom revisions and boy will this be one for the books. This thread will discuss a speed feat that nobody noticed but that's because you literally need parts from all three seasons for it to be possible to fully understand. Anyway let's get started because I know some of you want to see this.
The Feat
The feat takes place in Season 1, Episode 13 called "Fright Knight". In this episode Danny enters his portal and takes a trip through the Ghost Zone in order to get the Fright Knight's sword (The Soul Shredder) from Pariah's Keep. Now Danny's trip there and back are skiped sadly.
Ok so we have point A (Danny's Portal) and point B (Pariah's Keep) but we still need a distance and timeframe. Don't worry tho, I'll get to them.
Timeframe
Now it's time we get the timeframe. The timeframe is actually givin in the same episode as the feat. The reason Danny goes into the Ghost Zone to get the Fright Knight's sword is because he made a bet with Dash to see who would have the best haunted house room and Dash's room was better so Danny wants to get the sword and make his room more scary. Now before Danny leaves, Lancer asks Dash what else does he have to show him, Leading Dash to tell him he has a "20 Minute" presntaion about the horrors of athlete's foot. To which Lancer say's "Well make it snappy because his guests arive at midnight". Now they start the ride and take off, the Danny decides to go in the Ghost Zone so the clock already started.
Scean skip
Danny reaches Pariah's Keep, heads on through, dodges a few traps, grabs the sword which releases the Fright Knight, they have a small chat, Fright Knight tries to attack Danny, Danny leave, Fright Knight gives chase.
Scean skip
After a small scean of Danny parents patrolling amity park and it goes back to Danny getting chased by the Fright Knight and then Danny makes it through the portal and shuts it behind him. The episode then scrolls over to Sam waiting for Danny in his haunted house room, Danny scares Sam then shows her the Fright Knights sword. Danny being Danny stabs the sword into the ground and a beam of energy shoots up into the sky. Just the does it show Lancer leaving Dash's room.
So, Considering they started the ride before Danny left, Danny had to go home and head through his portal, head to Pariah's Keep, dodge some traps and grab the sword, travel back to his portal, then head back to the building where his haunted house is, slam the sword into the ground after having a small chat with Sam and the it shows lancer leave Dash's room!. I pretty sure 20 minutes is perfectly reasonable.
Distance
Alright!. We got the feat of Danny going to Pariah's Keep with a timeframe of 20 minutes at the most. However we still need a distance because we can't do a calc without one and don't worry I have a link to the episode.
The episode in which we get a distance is actually one of if not my most favorite episodes or should I say special because it's a two part episode, Season 2 Episode 8 & 9 "Ultimate Enemy". Here is the episode, I hope it works for you guys.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x60m1ti
Now for the time stamps. At 28:20 Jazz throws the Boomerang into the Fenton Portal and tells it to find Danny 10 years from now. Now watching from there as the Boomerang travels trough the ghost zone you literally see planets in the freaking backround. Now some of them look like moons and astroids but you can damn sure see multiple planets even tho the wavy screen.
Nearing 28:40 you could see it say ten years later and see a beat up Boomerang on low power and you still see planets in the background!. Then the boomerang finally locks on to Danny's ecto signiture, while Danny is getting jumped by ghosts you can see legit planets in the background as well. Then Danny proceeds to beat them using the Ghostly Wail and while talking to himself and gets hit in the back of the head by the boomerang.
So I know you are saying "Griffin, you only proved that that area the boomerang went through had planets. How does this prove Pariah's Keep is in that area. Well if you keep watching from when Danny gets hit by the Boomerang, he reads the note attached to it from Jazz who tells him Vlad has something to do with all thats happening. Now skip ahead to 30:40, Danny is at Vlad's portal. "But Griffin, what does Vlad's portal half to do with this. The feat is Pariah's Keep". True, and this is where season 3 episodes come into play.
Season 3 Episode 7 "Livin' Large" In this episode Danny heads to Vlads house to use his ghost portal in order to get to his own from inside the Ghost Zone since the Guys in White have taken his. Now guess what Danny just so happens to see... Pariah's Keep a short distance from Vlad's portal. This is back up in the Season 1 episode "Million Doller Ghost", in the beginning of this episode Vlad is a bit away from his portal next to the Skeleton Key's case. In the Season 2 Episode 4 & 5 special "Raign Storm" Vlad is getting the skeleton key from it's case and then he's in Pariah's Keep and the ghost crows next the keys case get the hell out of the area as soon as Vlad puts the Key in Pariah's coffin so they are in the general area.
More proof backing up Pariah's Keep being far away from Danny's portal is in the episode "Livin Large" when Danny sees Pariah's Keep from Vlad's portal he says "Oh No, I'm Half way across the Zone!" Now what makes this statement intresting is Danny is saying it's far from his portal and while Danny has traveled from his portal to Pariah's Keep in 20 minuts. The reason he is acting like this is because he needs to get there even faster because the guys in white where literally about to send an Anti-Ghost Missile into the Ghost Zone. This statment lets us know that they are far away from eachother otherwise Danny would have said "Good, I'm close!" But he didn't.
Now in season 3, episode 2 "Infinite Realms" we get a look at the Infi-Map. Which actually puts Pariah's Keep away from Danny's portal. Now the make looks a bit differnt at times but that's actually because the map itself changes depending on where you are. No words are written on the map and when Danny and crew are flying through the Ghost Zone. Danny says "Acording to the map, this is the River of Revolion". So the map is a legit map and the reason it would look different is because the map gives you the area you are in so if you move, the map moves. This is backed up further when a portal opens up in the Ghost Zone. It appeared on the map.
Conclusion
Danny traveled from his portal to Pariah's Keep and back in 20 minutes and their are lots of planets inbetween them. This is backed up even more by the fact that Danny knew where to go from his current location surrounded by planets to reach Vlad's portal. That means Dannys been through this area before and has pased by theses planets.
If accepted we still need a good estimate on the distence. I'd probably say 10 planets obviously including the space between which would mean Danny crossed 20 planets in 20 minutes because he flew there and back but if this is to high I'm open to suggestions
Arguments
1. It's just a bomerang so it couldn't have been moving that fast and pass by that many planets...
Me: For one that is in no way an "ordinary" bomerang. It's a high tech divice capable of homing in on a ghosts ecto signature and givin the fact that it doesn't fly right back to Jazz and spins off and stays spining in one direction and manage to still stay active for 10 years albit beat up and almost out of power pretty much negs this argument. Plus it was made by people who could make a suit strong enough to fight Pariah and weapons the go that atomize things... I think ive proven my point.
2. The Boomerang hit a reverse or went in a multiple directions.
Me: Yes, it did hit a reverse. when it got a look on Danny after 10! YEARS!!!!. Look how meesed up it looked after that long. You think it would have traveled all the way back and actuall made it if Danny was still back near his portal?. Also, it literally curves and then ghosts in one direction, their is no need for it to start spinning crazy, it needs to wait 10 years and as we see while it was letting us know time was passing it wasn't turning. Why assume it was when it's not functioning 100% like a normal bomerang?.
3. Danny and his friends could have mapped this area out. So that's how he knew where to go.
Me: The hell does that half to do with anything?. Danny would still half to pass by a ton of planets. That just backs up they traveled theses distances before and remember Danny, Sam, and Tucker can't just take the specter speeder everyday. They have lives, school, families who damn sure would wonder where there kids are not to mention Danny's parents spend a lot of time in the lab!. They also would half to always half to start at Danny's portal and cross the distance they already covered. This just proves Danny is fast.
4. Outlier!!!
Me: Ah yes, the one and only outlier. Well to bad in season 1 Danny did the feat, the Fright Knight's horse chased him and kept up with him the whole way back. In season 2 Pariah Dark's Fodder army preformed the feat lead by the Fright Knight again, Pariah Dark himself preforms the feat by traveling across the Ghost Zone destroying their homes including Skulkers Island which acording to the infimap is actually close to Danny's portal (Not right next to it but it's the closest notable thing to it. Ember even says he was only free for a Day and he alrady destroyed all their homes! This doesnt include the fact that she says this aftet they alrady fled the Ghost Zone and he would half to open an untold amount of doors to differnt realms the reck them. So his feat is higher than Danny's. In season 3 Danny goes from Pariah's Keep to his portal using Johnny 13's bike for even more speed. Now we don't get a timeframe but it had to be short because The Guys in White just got the password and then typed it into the computer. That shouldn't have tooken more than 10 minutes. Lastly Danny is then chased by Johnny, Skulker and Youngblood all the way back to Vlad's portal and you know this because they just blocked off Danny's portal. This also couldn't have taken much time because Danny's parents Damn sure would have wonderd where their son was if he was gone for hours.
So to recap. We have the feat being preformed not only by Fodder, Low, and Mid Tier but also we have the God Tier one uping them by crossing said distance while destroying an untold amount of realms in the process in only a day and he wasnt at full power, the feats are also done in each season so it's consistent. Not to mention Danny and crew crossing these types of distances to map out the Ghost Zone as much as they can with the few hours they can before someone notices they are gone!. Danny also fly's during these travels and doesn't ride in the specter speeder so he's doing this himself while Sam and Tucker rid in it.
5. Well it goes against the authors statements.
Me: Yes but when that auther gets things messed up himself we go by what's consistent. They may have wanted Danny at 112mph but they actually put higher feats like Ghost Dash throwing a football so fast in cought fire and then he proceeded to easily catch up to it and grab it. Or when Technus brings down a meteor that is on fire yet his blast reach the ground way befor he did. Season 2 they state the rocket Danny used to get into space can do it in under 2 minute but it only takes 40 seconds following their dialoge and come to find out, the damn rocket pack wasn't even on full blast... So it could have moved faster. Not only that but it's just a plot device to destroy Technus since Danny wasn't able to ham him.
The writters don't always know what they are doing. Butch claims they didn't want to make there ghosts that of dead people... Well they did a wonderful job didn't they. I only take Butch Hartmen's word when it's backed up like the ghosts realm's being made up of their own unique energy, this is backed up in verse when they state ghosts have unique energy signatures and that they actually where building their homes.
6. Didn't you do a thread making the Ghost Ray lightspeed, wouldn't this go against them being this fast.
Yes I did. However I actually think that can't be used anymore sadly. This is due to the fact that while it's described as light and acts like it. Ecto energy enhances everything. It's like a staroid. Even the Fentons wanted to use it to power up their vehical. Plus ghosts are type supernatural so ecto light =/= real light so this argument it invalid and even if this is not accepted we will half to remove the ghost ray calcs.
In the end we have a feat that everyone can preform and the God Tier does it better and it's consistently done in each season vs these two single feats from season one and two.
7. We don't know if those planets were actual planet size.
Me: we don't assume they arn't unless proven.
Ending
Well that's it. All input is welcome hopefully this will be a calm and smooth thread like the last two anyway thanks for reading.
The Feat
The feat takes place in Season 1, Episode 13 called "Fright Knight". In this episode Danny enters his portal and takes a trip through the Ghost Zone in order to get the Fright Knight's sword (The Soul Shredder) from Pariah's Keep. Now Danny's trip there and back are skiped sadly.
Ok so we have point A (Danny's Portal) and point B (Pariah's Keep) but we still need a distance and timeframe. Don't worry tho, I'll get to them.
Timeframe
Now it's time we get the timeframe. The timeframe is actually givin in the same episode as the feat. The reason Danny goes into the Ghost Zone to get the Fright Knight's sword is because he made a bet with Dash to see who would have the best haunted house room and Dash's room was better so Danny wants to get the sword and make his room more scary. Now before Danny leaves, Lancer asks Dash what else does he have to show him, Leading Dash to tell him he has a "20 Minute" presntaion about the horrors of athlete's foot. To which Lancer say's "Well make it snappy because his guests arive at midnight". Now they start the ride and take off, the Danny decides to go in the Ghost Zone so the clock already started.
Scean skip
Danny reaches Pariah's Keep, heads on through, dodges a few traps, grabs the sword which releases the Fright Knight, they have a small chat, Fright Knight tries to attack Danny, Danny leave, Fright Knight gives chase.
Scean skip
After a small scean of Danny parents patrolling amity park and it goes back to Danny getting chased by the Fright Knight and then Danny makes it through the portal and shuts it behind him. The episode then scrolls over to Sam waiting for Danny in his haunted house room, Danny scares Sam then shows her the Fright Knights sword. Danny being Danny stabs the sword into the ground and a beam of energy shoots up into the sky. Just the does it show Lancer leaving Dash's room.
So, Considering they started the ride before Danny left, Danny had to go home and head through his portal, head to Pariah's Keep, dodge some traps and grab the sword, travel back to his portal, then head back to the building where his haunted house is, slam the sword into the ground after having a small chat with Sam and the it shows lancer leave Dash's room!. I pretty sure 20 minutes is perfectly reasonable.
Distance
Alright!. We got the feat of Danny going to Pariah's Keep with a timeframe of 20 minutes at the most. However we still need a distance because we can't do a calc without one and don't worry I have a link to the episode.
The episode in which we get a distance is actually one of if not my most favorite episodes or should I say special because it's a two part episode, Season 2 Episode 8 & 9 "Ultimate Enemy". Here is the episode, I hope it works for you guys.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x60m1ti
Now for the time stamps. At 28:20 Jazz throws the Boomerang into the Fenton Portal and tells it to find Danny 10 years from now. Now watching from there as the Boomerang travels trough the ghost zone you literally see planets in the freaking backround. Now some of them look like moons and astroids but you can damn sure see multiple planets even tho the wavy screen.
Nearing 28:40 you could see it say ten years later and see a beat up Boomerang on low power and you still see planets in the background!. Then the boomerang finally locks on to Danny's ecto signiture, while Danny is getting jumped by ghosts you can see legit planets in the background as well. Then Danny proceeds to beat them using the Ghostly Wail and while talking to himself and gets hit in the back of the head by the boomerang.
So I know you are saying "Griffin, you only proved that that area the boomerang went through had planets. How does this prove Pariah's Keep is in that area. Well if you keep watching from when Danny gets hit by the Boomerang, he reads the note attached to it from Jazz who tells him Vlad has something to do with all thats happening. Now skip ahead to 30:40, Danny is at Vlad's portal. "But Griffin, what does Vlad's portal half to do with this. The feat is Pariah's Keep". True, and this is where season 3 episodes come into play.
Season 3 Episode 7 "Livin' Large" In this episode Danny heads to Vlads house to use his ghost portal in order to get to his own from inside the Ghost Zone since the Guys in White have taken his. Now guess what Danny just so happens to see... Pariah's Keep a short distance from Vlad's portal. This is back up in the Season 1 episode "Million Doller Ghost", in the beginning of this episode Vlad is a bit away from his portal next to the Skeleton Key's case. In the Season 2 Episode 4 & 5 special "Raign Storm" Vlad is getting the skeleton key from it's case and then he's in Pariah's Keep and the ghost crows next the keys case get the hell out of the area as soon as Vlad puts the Key in Pariah's coffin so they are in the general area.
More proof backing up Pariah's Keep being far away from Danny's portal is in the episode "Livin Large" when Danny sees Pariah's Keep from Vlad's portal he says "Oh No, I'm Half way across the Zone!" Now what makes this statement intresting is Danny is saying it's far from his portal and while Danny has traveled from his portal to Pariah's Keep in 20 minuts. The reason he is acting like this is because he needs to get there even faster because the guys in white where literally about to send an Anti-Ghost Missile into the Ghost Zone. This statment lets us know that they are far away from eachother otherwise Danny would have said "Good, I'm close!" But he didn't.
Now in season 3, episode 2 "Infinite Realms" we get a look at the Infi-Map. Which actually puts Pariah's Keep away from Danny's portal. Now the make looks a bit differnt at times but that's actually because the map itself changes depending on where you are. No words are written on the map and when Danny and crew are flying through the Ghost Zone. Danny says "Acording to the map, this is the River of Revolion". So the map is a legit map and the reason it would look different is because the map gives you the area you are in so if you move, the map moves. This is backed up further when a portal opens up in the Ghost Zone. It appeared on the map.
Conclusion
Danny traveled from his portal to Pariah's Keep and back in 20 minutes and their are lots of planets inbetween them. This is backed up even more by the fact that Danny knew where to go from his current location surrounded by planets to reach Vlad's portal. That means Dannys been through this area before and has pased by theses planets.
If accepted we still need a good estimate on the distence. I'd probably say 10 planets obviously including the space between which would mean Danny crossed 20 planets in 20 minutes because he flew there and back but if this is to high I'm open to suggestions
Arguments
1. It's just a bomerang so it couldn't have been moving that fast and pass by that many planets...
Me: For one that is in no way an "ordinary" bomerang. It's a high tech divice capable of homing in on a ghosts ecto signature and givin the fact that it doesn't fly right back to Jazz and spins off and stays spining in one direction and manage to still stay active for 10 years albit beat up and almost out of power pretty much negs this argument. Plus it was made by people who could make a suit strong enough to fight Pariah and weapons the go that atomize things... I think ive proven my point.
2. The Boomerang hit a reverse or went in a multiple directions.
Me: Yes, it did hit a reverse. when it got a look on Danny after 10! YEARS!!!!. Look how meesed up it looked after that long. You think it would have traveled all the way back and actuall made it if Danny was still back near his portal?. Also, it literally curves and then ghosts in one direction, their is no need for it to start spinning crazy, it needs to wait 10 years and as we see while it was letting us know time was passing it wasn't turning. Why assume it was when it's not functioning 100% like a normal bomerang?.
3. Danny and his friends could have mapped this area out. So that's how he knew where to go.
Me: The hell does that half to do with anything?. Danny would still half to pass by a ton of planets. That just backs up they traveled theses distances before and remember Danny, Sam, and Tucker can't just take the specter speeder everyday. They have lives, school, families who damn sure would wonder where there kids are not to mention Danny's parents spend a lot of time in the lab!. They also would half to always half to start at Danny's portal and cross the distance they already covered. This just proves Danny is fast.
4. Outlier!!!
Me: Ah yes, the one and only outlier. Well to bad in season 1 Danny did the feat, the Fright Knight's horse chased him and kept up with him the whole way back. In season 2 Pariah Dark's Fodder army preformed the feat lead by the Fright Knight again, Pariah Dark himself preforms the feat by traveling across the Ghost Zone destroying their homes including Skulkers Island which acording to the infimap is actually close to Danny's portal (Not right next to it but it's the closest notable thing to it. Ember even says he was only free for a Day and he alrady destroyed all their homes! This doesnt include the fact that she says this aftet they alrady fled the Ghost Zone and he would half to open an untold amount of doors to differnt realms the reck them. So his feat is higher than Danny's. In season 3 Danny goes from Pariah's Keep to his portal using Johnny 13's bike for even more speed. Now we don't get a timeframe but it had to be short because The Guys in White just got the password and then typed it into the computer. That shouldn't have tooken more than 10 minutes. Lastly Danny is then chased by Johnny, Skulker and Youngblood all the way back to Vlad's portal and you know this because they just blocked off Danny's portal. This also couldn't have taken much time because Danny's parents Damn sure would have wonderd where their son was if he was gone for hours.
So to recap. We have the feat being preformed not only by Fodder, Low, and Mid Tier but also we have the God Tier one uping them by crossing said distance while destroying an untold amount of realms in the process in only a day and he wasnt at full power, the feats are also done in each season so it's consistent. Not to mention Danny and crew crossing these types of distances to map out the Ghost Zone as much as they can with the few hours they can before someone notices they are gone!. Danny also fly's during these travels and doesn't ride in the specter speeder so he's doing this himself while Sam and Tucker rid in it.
5. Well it goes against the authors statements.
Me: Yes but when that auther gets things messed up himself we go by what's consistent. They may have wanted Danny at 112mph but they actually put higher feats like Ghost Dash throwing a football so fast in cought fire and then he proceeded to easily catch up to it and grab it. Or when Technus brings down a meteor that is on fire yet his blast reach the ground way befor he did. Season 2 they state the rocket Danny used to get into space can do it in under 2 minute but it only takes 40 seconds following their dialoge and come to find out, the damn rocket pack wasn't even on full blast... So it could have moved faster. Not only that but it's just a plot device to destroy Technus since Danny wasn't able to ham him.
The writters don't always know what they are doing. Butch claims they didn't want to make there ghosts that of dead people... Well they did a wonderful job didn't they. I only take Butch Hartmen's word when it's backed up like the ghosts realm's being made up of their own unique energy, this is backed up in verse when they state ghosts have unique energy signatures and that they actually where building their homes.
6. Didn't you do a thread making the Ghost Ray lightspeed, wouldn't this go against them being this fast.
Yes I did. However I actually think that can't be used anymore sadly. This is due to the fact that while it's described as light and acts like it. Ecto energy enhances everything. It's like a staroid. Even the Fentons wanted to use it to power up their vehical. Plus ghosts are type supernatural so ecto light =/= real light so this argument it invalid and even if this is not accepted we will half to remove the ghost ray calcs.
In the end we have a feat that everyone can preform and the God Tier does it better and it's consistently done in each season vs these two single feats from season one and two.
7. We don't know if those planets were actual planet size.
Me: we don't assume they arn't unless proven.
Ending
Well that's it. All input is welcome hopefully this will be a calm and smooth thread like the last two anyway thanks for reading.
MUA/Danny Phantom: Danny goes to Pariah's Keep at the speed of fast
