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Demigra revision

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Scaling Base Demigra to Shin, just because they are both Kaioshins, seems very arbitrary. As a result, he should most likely be either 3-A or Low 2-C for the following:

Even if you don't agree, he should probably just be unknown.
 
  • Looks good, though I would note that Demigra was only one of the wizards who made the Demon Realm, he didn't do it all himself.
  • Sealas did indeed do that, but why should Demigra scale to it?
  • Towa didn't actually manage it though, that's why she had to steal an authentic one.
I'd say the Demon Realm point is the strongest, though someone else would have to determine what Tier that would make him.
 
"Sealas did indeed do that, but why should Demigra scale to it?"

Because Demigra is considered to be superior to Sealas and a much more credible threat to boot.
 
As far as base Demigra, he was able to fight BoG FW, and an angered Beerus who wanted him dead for trying to mind control him, he even dodges the attacks from Beerus who is directly stated to be powered up beyond BoG Goku, with a mere portion of his power as a projection from the crack in time. He is also considered to powerful for Trunks and Kai of time to beat without the FW assistance, in fact kai of time specifically says they cannot allow him to escape the crack in time no matter what adn is terrified of him implying he is equal or superior to her, so he should be above them realistically even in base.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq41g3p5Gwg

https://youtu.be/D-mA4bKKF8A?t=1248
 
I think I see the problem actually, it's that his "base" value on this wiki isn't actually for his base form. There's a reason why Demigra is always referred to in-game as Demon God Demigra, he's always using the Demon God form, so scaling to Shin makes as much sense as scaling LSSJ Broly to Turles because they're both Saiyans.

I agree with SSJRyu1 for how his base form should actually be scaled.
 
So what if anything needs to be changed then?
 
Basically Demigra in "base" is him after absorbing power for 75 million years in Xenoverse. He is far stronger than back when he was a kaioshin. He should scale to Chronoa even in base tbh, since he is considered far to powerful to allow to escape by her, almost kills her and the others with his majin emblem trap, and she does not think they could stop him if he does escape. She and the others are also powerless to stop him from taking Toki Toki. And the fact he can fight an angered Beerus stronger than the one who beat SSJG Goku and FW with a mere projection while still sealed further shows his power dwarfing Chronoas and Trunks and FW at the time. So I would scale him to Chronoa who can merge timelines and make him 2-C pre toki toki tbh.
 
So i'm not really seeing any arguments that would contradict my argument of Demigra being superior to Chronoa, and superior to SSJG Goku, even before absorbing Toki Toki. Unless there is significant proof otherwise his base should probably be changed to reflect this.
 
Well, you still need to ask some staff members who are knowledgeable about Dragon Ball about this.
 
Did someone asked a staff member who are knowledgeable about Dragon Ball to give their input on this?

Just wondering because it always happen that no one ever message staff members and leaves the thread not concluded.
 
I found them. According to Dende U7 has walls between dimensions just like the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Dende, as well as Vegito, said that if Buu destroys the dimensional walls then other dimensions, which are the Sacred World of the Kai and Other World. I think it's pretty clear that Living World has its own space time surrounding it. I mean Buuhan was putting holes in space time that would expand and allow the other dimensions to crush it. They're even referred to as alternate dimensions what more do you want?

Anyway Demigra would be 2-C regardless of U7 or merging timelines. So I guess I'll get some staff now.
 
I'm not too familiar with Xenoverse as I'm more knowledgeable on the Canon and Toei verse. However, I do agree that it may be a bit iffy to scale every Kaioshin from each other. And I already know how messy Xenoverse's scaling is given 2-B Mr. Satan exists. I think Dark649 might have more familiarity though.
 
Heroes Mr. Satan is a far more powerful version of the regular one as he impressed both Xeno Goku and Vegeta in battle, he was even chosen to be a candidate god of destruction, neutral about the rest as i did not played the switch heroes game, Sealas along with his fused form lacks a profile.
 
@SSJRyu1's point about scaling from 2-C, it makes sense. About Chronoa, it make sense that he would be 2-C since she and the others were powerless to stop him from taking Toki Toki.
 
No, because Xenoverse and Heroes characters don't scale to each other.

Even if they did, it would be "Wizard Demigra", Demigra's actual base form, that Gravy and Putine would scale to.
 
Okay. I suppose that seems pretty harmless, but we still need more straightforward to understand staff evaluation regarding this subject.
 
Elizhaa said:
@SSJRyu1's point about scaling from 2-C, it makes sense. About Chronoa, it make sense that he would be 2-C since she and the others were powerless to stop him from taking Toki Toki.
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@Ant. This is what we should focus on currently.

@Eli. Yes it does make sense and it'll put them pretty well into 2-C.
 
Dark649 said:
Heroes Mr. Satan is a far more powerful version of the regular one as he impressed both Xeno Goku and Vegeta in battle, he was even chosen to be a candidate god of destruction, neutral about the rest as i did not played the switch heroes game, Sealas along with his fused form lacks a profile.
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@Antvasima

Here is @Dark649 opinion about it.
 
You should ask all of the remaining staff members listed in the Dragon Ball verse page to comment here then.
 
How do I know who are knowledgeable on Heroes/Xeneoverse and not Canon stuff?

Because other than @SSJRyu1 (Who is only knowledgeable about the series). Who else is knowledgeable staff about Heroes/Xenoverse?
 
You will have to take a chance and ask all of them, or nothing will happen here.
 
Ryu seems to make sense, although I will admit my knowledge on Heroes is very limited.
 
Ryu's points seem alright, though I don't have much knowledge on Xenoverse. But how does being as strong as Beerus make him 2-C again?
 
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