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Fate Massive Revision

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Good evening everyone...

I recently calculated a feat of shirou kotomine, involving a black hole , and the Antvasima accepted it as a legitimate black hole.

This would shirou as High 4-C

Iou can say it's some kind of outlier, but I tell you no. Servants casually are already quoted to destroy the planet, this physically. Da Vinci quotes that if the Counter force did not exist, the servants destroyed the earth. That is, servants casually 5-B. A clear example is gilgamesh vs enkidu .

More about the counter force

Archmiedes ca destroy the surface of the earth and the moon. Casually 5-C

Has other talents but you can understand, the 5-B servants are comfortable, but these quotes are for the servants casually, passing far from their limit, MINIMUM, Jeanne and amakusa endured the destruction of the black hole, and Jeanne was defeated soon thereafter . Therefore, it is reasonable to place servants as High 4-C.

Another thing I would like to highlight, emiya 's UBW has created a dimension with at least one star and one planet. That is to say 4-C, although it has a quote of being infinite what would be High 3-A.

I would also like to speak of speed:

>Saber Alter is rank D in agility, And he can calmly deviate from blows at the speed of light. (at least FTL)

>C├║ Chulain in Fate/Extella is said to overcome the speed of light, in Fate/stay night, Emiya says that the Lancer's attacks have the speed of light. (at least FTL)

>Artoria in Fate/Zero during its fight against the lancer, it is able to reach a speed near the light. (at least Relativistic+)

"The clash between the precious artifacts of legend, driven by strength and speed far beyond that of a human, passed the speed of sound, nearing the speed of light. Observation had long since lost meaning in this momentous battle. Those divine skills, pushed to the limits at the point of this fierce battle, were having a supreme contest between the two. An unknown number of rounds had been fought; perhaps tens of rounds, perhaps hundreds of rounds. It was simply impossible to determine with a mortal eye. After the lance and sword of the two clashed, they finally separated, and moved away from each other." - Fate/Zero:Act 11 Part 3, -72:43:28

Summary: All servo upgrade for Large Star and FTL
 
As much as I'd like for this to go through there are a few problems

What Da Vinci actually says is:

"To begin with, even if you release the full power of a Top Servant's Noble Phantasm, it still can't completely destroy the planet.

Anti-Planetary (or Anti-Star in some translations) Noble Phantasm...even if such a thing existed...According to calculations it's still not possible to destroy this planet."

What she is saying is even a top tier np can't destroy earth thanks to the counter force, not that any servant can casually planet bust.

The Gilgamesh vs Enkidu example works until you realize that feat comes from an Enuma Elish clash and doesn't scale to them physically.

Ubw being infinite shouldn't be high 3-A, in fact since it's just Emiya's mind being projected and not a pocket realm or anything of the sort being created im not sure it should get any rating.
 
Paul Frank said:
As much as I'd like for this to go through there are a few problems
What Da Vinci actually says is:

"To begin with, even if you release the full power of a Top Servant's Noble Phantasm, it still can't completely destroy the planet.

Anti-Planetary (or Anti-Star in some translations) Noble Phantasm...even if such a thing existed...According to calculations it's still not possible to destroy this planet."

What she is saying is even a top tier np can't destroy earth thanks to the counter force, not that any servant can casually planet bust.

The Gilgamesh vs Enkidu example works until you realize that feat comes from an Enuma Elish clash and doesn't scale to them physically.

Ubw being infinite shouldn't be high 3-A, in fact since it's just Emiya's mind being projected and not a pocket realm or anything of the sort being created im not sure it should get any rating.
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In the case of enkidu and gilgamesh there was no enuma elish was in physical strife. And karna with her spear is also said to destroy the planet. In the case of Emiya NP, it must be at least 4-C, as it has a star in it. More about the counter force
 
As for speed

I feel like most of those will be rejected as hyperbole or inconsistent, although with the sheer amount of those statements it might end up in a Medaka Box situation where there are too many times it's mentioned for the rating to be rejected.
 
Paul Frank said:
As for speed
I feel like most of those will be rejected as hyperbole or inconsistent, although with the sheer amount of those statements it might end up in a Medaka Box situation where there are too many times it's mentioned for the rating to be rejected.
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There is no reason not to accept, and there is nothing hyperbole, the context is clear, to deny would only prove that you are a simple hater.
 
@milly yeah that's what I was saying. There might just end up too many statements to reject them as hyperbole or inconsistent but I don't know.

@lotus it was definently an enuma elish clash, I can get the text from the chapter if you want.
 
Paul Frank said:
@milly yeah that's what I was saying. There might just end up too many statements to reject them as hyperbole or inconsistent but I don't know.
@lotus it was definently an enuma elish clash, I can get the text from the chapter if you want.
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There is nothing hyperbolic in the quotes, your crying is free.
 
As someone who has done multiple revisions that effect 30+ characters just because of scaling... If you make your brain think it's easier, it gets easier.
 
That... looks really out of context. What is Velber? Isn't that a disease?

And the second scan definetly needs more context.
 
So to go through this again.

Black hole is fine if it's not decided to be a massive outlier.

Servants casually busting the planet is completely incorrect and literally the opposite of what Da Vinci is saying. The Gil and Enkidu thing was with Enuma Elish. This is the chapter they fought in, you can see it was with Enuma Elish(Just control+f World)

Archimedes isn't saying he can do either of those things.

The first one is him talking about how last time Velber came around, Sefar or her siblings wiped 80% of the surface, that is high 6-A at best. The moon thing is also Sefar but I need to see the rest of that scene.

I'd recommend if you want to upgrade Ea via destroying a reality marble to go for Iskandar's instead.

I have no further comments on the speed.
 
Firstly, I don't get how this is considered a black hole. It doesn't fit what is given on our pages. The rest of the calcs are essentially wank, including Ishtar's debunked feat, which incidentally shows why using visuals isn't always correct. There's also a lot of contradictions with the actual work by these ratings, since you're suggesting that Base Shirou and Rin could be Planet busters.

The FTL stuff either requires spaceships or happens in cyberspace. It's not applicable in the real world.

In short, a lot of wank that shouldn't be mentioned.
 
Also, lol at calling fan translation sites official sites. Don't try to mislead people by pretending that fan translations are official ones. Please be more accurate and call them what they are.
 
Also, for the Black Hole calculation, i'm not sure why it's using E=MC, since you kind of need some support for that. At most it's High 5-A.

And i don't even need to say that UBW being High 3-A, leading to High 3-A Ea is... bad, don't i?
 
Firstly, I don't get how this is considered a black hole. It doesn't fit what is given on our pages. The rest of the calcs are essentially wank, including Ishtar's debunked feat, which incidentally shows why using visuals isn't always correct. There's also a lot of contradictions with the actual work by these ratings, since you're suggesting that Base Shirou and Rin could be Planet busters.

The FTL stuff either requires spaceships or happens in cyberspace. It's not applicable in the real world.

In short, a lot of wank that shouldn't be mentioned.


It fits in if you read the description on the pages.

"since you're suggesting that Base Shirou and Rin could be Planet busters." Through magic, I do not see problems that they are.


"The FTL stuff either requires spaceships or happens in cyberspace. It's not applicable in the real world."

You're dumb? where do you have any mention of a cyber space or ship?
 
CrimsonStarFallen said:
Also, for the Black Hole calculation, i'm not sure why it's using E=MC, since you kind of need some support for that. At most it's High 5-A.
And i don't even need to say that UBW being High 3-A, leading to High 3-A Ea is... bad, don't i?
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E = MC is not necessary, I used the GEB. Still high 4-C

And I see no problem with EA 3-A, akhilleus kosmos is said to sustain the universe .
 
You're taking purple prose for actual FTL speeds, which is clearly wanking, and BB and Melt tell/showcase FTL stuff in Moon Cell/similar environments. Apart from that no one has FTL speed that can be used to scale everyone.

You're wanking just because you seem to think that Amakusa's NP is making an actual black hole and trying to handwave any inconsistencies that are apparent with this assumption. I'm not sure why anyone should take this thread seriously.
 
You mean every feat and description of her powers and nature. Nasuverse threads are so predictable.

>Character makes a destructive feat

"Uh, that isn't a literal visual, not canon, you should go by the lore not visuals visual feats in visual media bad that mountain/ moon / planet / sun / whatever is an illusion"

>Character's power is described in statements and lore

"Uh, that is hyperbolic / metaphorical / allegorical you should leave to the REAL Nasuverse experts (Links to some guy on an off-site non-Vs Debating thread) and take their word as gospel and stop having your own interpretation. Also world / universe in Nasuverse NEVER means what these words instinctively mean."

Pick one.
 
I would think that even if we accepted reality marbles as being legit pocket star sized dimensions the only one who would scale to them would be Gil using Ea at maximum, the casters (shirou, rider) would never scale to them because IIRC in the VN it is stated that shirou's projections (and by extension his RM) violates something akin the principle of equivalent exchange in-universe, so whatever mana he purposes into materializing his world doesn't even have to be anywhere close to what it would take to actually create it (which by our standards would be tier 4 levels of energy), not to mention how restrictive they are in general.
 
RegisNex1232 said:
You're taking purple prose for actual FTL speeds, which is clearly wanking, and BB and Melt tell/showcase FTL stuff in Moon Cell/similar environments. Apart from that no one has FTL speed that can be used to scale everyone.
You're wanking just because you seem to think that Amakusa's NP is making an actual black hole and trying to handwave any inconsistencies that are apparent with this assumption. I'm not sure why anyone should take this thread seriously.
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you're sick, every quote / deed happens on earth, your argument makes no sense. There is no contradiction in the work of amakusa, and if you are not able to show. And I do not know why anyone would take you seriously.
 
GLHF22 said:
Since when akhilleus cosmos sustain the universe?
The world in that context is greek
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It'is the term universe is used, and if the Greek universe is still better, it is infinite. What would make Akhilleus kosmos High 3-A / low 2-C
 
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