Ahzek Ahriman vs Suika Ibuki

The idea for this fight literally only exists because in an episode of If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device where they answered fan letters, one of the letters was apparently sent by Ibuki, and uh...Ahrima is also a character in ItEhaT-t-SD, sooooo...yeah. That's the theme, I guess.

Rules

• Both fighters are in character.

• Starting distance is 50 meters apart.

• Both have full access to all their powers and standard equipment.

• Win by any means necessary.

• Battle takes place on a dead world just outside the Eye of Terror.

As always, reasoning for votes is mandatory for them to count, but I shouldn't have to tell you that.


"Your illusions won't work on me when I'm drunk! Drinking brings out my strongest power!"


"Knowledge is power, and with the key to the Black Library, I shall claim it all."

I cast my vote to Ahriman due to a speed advantage, minor AP/durability advantage (Having the "at least"), and various ways to bypass durability, not to mention far greater intelligence.

Yeah, I think Ahriman has the floor here. He has the overall versatility advantage and likely has the means to damage Suika even when she disperses. I don't think his speed advantage is sufficient to give him any immediate rewards at first (mostly due to the distance being sufficient for Suika to do something), but the difference in speed will become apparent over time.

Also Ahriman could just immediately stop time and oneshot Suika through any number of means. Like by dumping her into the Warp.

Promestein said:

Also Ahriman could just immediately stop time and oneshot Suika through any number of means. Like by dumping her into the Warp.

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Very true, but time stop isn't aaaallllways one of Ahriman's first choices in-character (unless he really wants something dead, but I don't think he'll view Suika as a massive threat, at first). He usually starts off with a weird mix of Biomancy, Pyromancy, Divination, Telepathy, and Telekinesis in any combination (which he sorta does just because he can, I guess).

Though I do recall numerous instances of him slowing time down to a crawl (though not completely stopping it) to walk through a field of enemies, set up an attack, and then have them all brutally explode/die in some horrible way when time picks up, again.

Idk if making a fighting thread about a character havine like 3 Content Revision thread about is a good idea, but eh.

Thinking Ahzek due to speed and having all the different kinds of hax possible.

Except when it's a bad time.

...eh, bad tom works too.

Anyway...Current tally is

Ahriman - 3

Ibuki - 0

Inconclusive - 0

Ugh...This fight is like literally having an orc to fight a main protagonist. Unless Suika could firmly attract that guy to one spot, and rip his soul to her hand. Either way though, her mist form that could spread accross gensokyo could bide the time a little bit, and even having a strike back from inside or something.

1 for Ahriman i guess.

Edit: Or somehow used her abilities to control the locality of thing so that each move of that guy always started inside his bodied.

So, Suika vs Ahriman...

For attack potency, we see Ahriman sitting at least Moon level, just with his physical abilities, while his actual AP with his magic and other stuff is much higher due to most of his abilities ignoring durability, such as biomancy, enfeeble, as well as telepathic abilities such as dominate and psychic shriek, both of which ignore durability completely as well as attacking the mind. Suika, looking at her abilities list, has no defense against mind attacks at Ahriman's sort of caliber. Suika's physical abilities also pale in comparison to Ahriman, where she only sits at Mountain level compared to Ahriman's Moon level.

However, here is the issue in question. Ahzek's actual movement speed is only FTE, with FTL reactions and attack speed. This probably means that even though Ahriman can react to anything incoming at him that moves at things faster than light, could Ahzek's body move fast enough to keep up with his reactions?

Comparing movement speed wise, Suika is at least ~100000 times faster compared to Ahriman, if Suika was sitting at an absolute minimum in terms of relativistic speed and if Ahriman was sitting at an absolute maximum of Subsonic+ speed. To Suika, she sees Ahriman's movements as practically borderline standstill.

I am also reading that Suika can fight evenly with Yukari, which means that Suika is comparable to her (although Yukari may have been holding back?)

In short, if Ahriman does not get overwhelmed with Suika's attacks at the first moment in the fight, Ahriman's vast range of abilities nets him the battle. However, Suika has the ability to reduce the density of materials via (Manipulation of Density and Sparseness). If I am reading this correctly, Suika can reduce the density of anything that she wants to, meaning that Suika can likely reduce the durability of Ahriman to the point where her physical attacks can shred Ahriman apart, although Iron Arm may reduce this to an extent.

Now, for the finale, for most of Ahriman's lethal abilities, does he have to move his limbs to cast his spells/abilities, or can he perform them with his thoughts? Precognition and divination abilities are not very helpful if the opponent has that much of a speed gap, meaning even though Ahriman can react to Suika's movements, his body will not keep up with his reaction speed, therefore, Ahriman is going to get blitzed to hell and back (unless Ahriman can perform his time stop).

I am probably going with Suika here, especially if her durability is comparable to Yukari's because Suika is:

• 100000 times faster than Ahriman movement wise

• can reduce Ahriman's durability via density manipulation

• seeing Ahriman's movement speed at a borderline crawl, meaning Ahriman gets blitzed before he moves any part of his body

Not sure about both of their characters personalities though, perhaps that can tip the edge to Ahriman somewhat?

Space Marines too stronk.

Crazystarf said:

Now, for the finale, for most of Ahriman's lethal abilities, does he have to move his limbs to cast his spells/abilities, or can he perform them with his thoughts?

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No, he literally just needs to think, which he can do in the sub-nanosecond range.

Oh boy. I guess I will change my vote to Ahriman then. Dem Chaos Space Marines way too stronk.

Just as planned heheheh.

Well, guess that makes six for Ahriman.

Ahriman for the reasons mentioned above.

So it's 7-0 then. Instance update.

I guess I'll go ahead and add this, if nobody has any objections, then.

Wasn't Suika nerfed to Multi Continent level or Mountain? Wouldn't this make this a spite then?

Just curious

Not according to her page.

Speed and hax would be what would give her a fighting chance, anyway. Not raw power.

Huh, thought she was getting nerfed by Saikou. No complaints then. Though I think time manipulation pretty much resolves any speed advantage

The Update is still in Limbo since DT has yet to re-calc Cirno's feat IIRC, so right now she still is at Moon.

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