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Goku vs Saggitarius Seiya (Speed Equalized, of course)

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Round 1.- Buu Saga Goku vs Normal Gold Cloth Seiya. Round 2.- Base Universe 6 Goku vs Normal Gold Cloth Seiya. Round 3.- SSB Goku vs Enhanced Gold Cloth Seiya. Round 4.- SSBKKX10 Goku vs Enhanced Gold Cloth Seiya.

Like always, speed equalized. I wonder if it is still necessary. Also, since Matt keeps on pushing his outlier in everyone's throats, Seoya has no atomization hax.

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TISSG7Redgrave said:
don't forget seiya's hax though atomizing
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you mean that atomic hax which did not work on none cosmo users and can nullify it with higher durability?

i won`t do seiya no good
 
Atomic hax gives Seiya the win. And yes, speed equalized will definitely be necessary. You stated Cosmo users nullified it. That debunked your reasoning by stating that. Goku's not a Cosmo user
 
The real cal howard said:
Atomic hax gives Seiya the win. And yes, speed equalized will definitely be necessary. You stated Cosmo users nullified it. That debunked your reasoning by stating that. Goku's not a Cosmo user
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i suggest you re-read my comment
 
Seiya probably all rounds seriously people need to stop matching saint seiya characters against dbs characters it goes the same as always, saint seiya because of atomic hax which dbs has no defense for. Seiya has telepathy too dont know the degree as i am not into saint seiya but he probably could mind control goku maybe as goku has no defense for it and goku cant put seiya down as he will ressurrect.So yea seiya because of hax.
 
Seiya punches Goku.

Seiya's punches have Atomic level destruction.

Seiya has greater Regenerationn than Goku, being capable of rebinding his atoms.

Seiya's Sagittarius Arrow, Pegasus Comet Fist and Cosmic Star Arrow would tear Goku a new one.

However, Round 2 goes to Goku. All else are Seiya.
 
goku can only win once he finds a way to beat Cosmo Sense 7/8 with a 4 Dimensional Attack as long he has not done or reached something like that or Higher in Dimensions well. Seiya wins.
 
yeah i am leaning towards seiya really this shows DB really lack haxes :/
 
@Victor2 stop wanking DBZ please. We know Goku wins, but you were the one who said he's 2-A on the Goku vs SB-Prime thread.

The reason why I believe Goku wins is his "hax negation" ability, which allows him to overcome any kind of hax coming from "weaker" (lower DC) characters, and Seiya is only possibly 3-A.
 
""Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.""


so from that i think we consider all thing like cosmo, ki, reiryoku, chakra, nen, etc to be same thing here.
 
@Saitamax

Except every single attack by a Cosmo User atomizes. That is an ability that Cosmos have that can't be taken away.
 
KorpiklaaniVodka said:
@Victor2 stop wanking DBZ please. We know Goku wins, but you were the one who said he's 2-A on the Goku vs SB-Prime thread.
The reason why I believe Goku wins is his "hax negation" ability, which allows him to overcome any kind of hax coming from "weaker" (lower DC) characters, and Seiya is only possibly 3-A.
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Seiya also has Hax Negation, in fact all Saint Seiya characters have that. And since when can Goku negate every hax? He has no resistance to Atomization.

And Seiya is totally 3-A at his peak, and with Cosmic Star Arrow, which would decimate Goku.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
@Saitamax
Except every single attack by a Cosmo User atomizes. That is an ability that Cosmos have that can't be taken away.
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Yes it can. Otherwise we'd have to say Seiya has ki and whatnot.
 
There is no way in hell goku is beating seiya, his lack of hax make matching against most others in his tier either he gets hax to death or he speedblitzes and seiya without speed equalized would speedblitz the hell out of goku but even with it equalized goku has nothing to counter seiya's atomic hax and dont talk about goku having hax negation because that's total bs the only thing he has so far is time stop resistance. Frankly seiya takes this match, until goku gets good hax or more hax resistance/durabilty negation matching him up agaisnt saint seiya characters in his tier is laughable.
 
KorpiklaaniVodka said:
Matthew Schroeder said:
@Saitamax
Except every single attack by a Cosmo User atomizes. That is an ability that Cosmos have that can't be taken away.
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Yes it can. Otherwise we'd have to say Seiya has ki and whatnot.
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By this "Logic", Goku doesn't have Flight and Ki Blasts.

Seiya can atomize, it is an ability as normal to him as flying is to Goku.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
KorpiklaaniVodka said:
Matthew Schroeder said:
@Saitamax
Except every single attack by a Cosmo User atomizes. That is an ability that Cosmos have that can't be taken away.
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Yes it can. Otherwise we'd have to say Seiya has ki and whatnot.
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By this "Logic", Goku doesn't have Flight and Ki Blasts.
Seiya can atomize, it is an ability as normal to him as flying is to Goku.
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Yes but the concept of Cosmo doesn't exist to DBZ so there's no reason to consider it, unless ki is considered too. Basically, we'd have to admit Seiya has ki
 
@KorpiklaaniVodka As matthew pointed out atomization is a basic ability of the saint seiya verse so it cant be ignored. You argument is flaw and is just trying to remove what makes seiya, seiya in order for goku to win, if a characters has to be nerfed not only of his speed but also his basic abilities in order for another one to have a chance at beating him then that match shouldn't have happeened in the first place.
 
Yes but the concept of Cosmo doesn't exist to DBZ so there's no reason to consider it, unless ki is considered too. Basically, we'd have to admit Seiya has ki
this doesn`t seem logicall, much less make sense
 
Cosmos protects them from Atomization and they have Atomic-level Regenerationn through Cosmo Burning.

Things outside of Cosmo-Users, such as rocks, walls, floors, metal, or even the particles of light itself, get atomized.

Goku would be atomized because he has no defenses against it.

If you have to drastically downgrade a character's speed and say that his most common ability doesn't exist to make the fight even, they the winner is clear.
 
Gee.


Isn´t that curious?


"Oh, so, each punch can destroy a universe!"

-"No universe was destroyed!"

"Ah...They have a anti-universe destroying shield!"

-"Where is that stated in the manga?"

"It´s obvious! Kurumada would never create such an outlier!"
 
Also, Kyle: Have you even read the Blog Post?

Atomization is something that gets brought up many, many times in Saint Seiya. Characters explain it a lot. AND there are examples of Quantum level destruction and Atomic-level Regenerationn in my post.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Cosmos protects them from Atomization and they have Atomic-level Regenerationn through Cosmo Burning.
Things outside of Cosmo-Users, such as rocks, walls, floors, metal, or even the particles of light itself, get atomized.

Goku would be atomized because he has no defenses against it.

If you have to drastically downgrade a character's speed and say that his most common ability doesn't exist to make the fight even, they the winner is clear.
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If i remember correctly, in the Hades saga, Two Athena Exclamations only destroyed one of the 12 houses in the sanctuary.


That´s some Multiversal scaled Atomization right there.
 
cosmo users can resist atomization


KI = cosmo due to rules here


therefore Goku counts as cosmo user. (and seiya asd KI user)
 
You are using the AOE fallacy, something that every single Downplayer of Saint Seiya has used, simply because you can't accept the clear fact that the characters are stronger.

You say it is hyperbole or outliers, yet Atomization is stated and examplified countless times throughout every single Saint Seiya installment.

You use the AOE argument, yet by your logic anything above planet level in Dragon Ball is an outlier. And you ignore that the Saints' attacks destroy the enemy from within, from their atoms, not their surroundings.

Resistance to Atomization has been shown when Aiolia regenerated and rebinded the atoms of his freaking heart to keep on fighting.

Also Saint Seiya has a lot of Universe+ feats, or have you forgotten that when Hades died, three universes collapsed?
 
Saitamax said:
cosmo users can resist atomization

KI = cosmo due to rules here


therefore Goku counts as cosmo user. (and seiya asd KI user)
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By your logic Seiya has Instant Transmission and the Kamehameha.
 
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