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Mammoth Mogul First Tenure AP Change and Possible 4th Key

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Mammoth Mogul in base form with a chaos emerald should easily be high 3A. He has a chaos emerald embedded in his chest and is fueled by its power https://imgur.com/a/sLudF9s. A single chaos emerald in Archie (pre issue 169) has consistently been stated and shown to have a degree of infinite 3D power:

several statements of infinite power, as well as creating zones and withstanding the destruction of one: https://imgur.com/a/nJIUgDp

Secondly. I say mogul needs a fourth key for post-great-harmony. With the grey chaos emerald obtained in issue 185, he is at least thousands of times above where his base was before due to the great harmony. There should be a key making this clear. Also, before you ask "then why didn't he kill Sonic when he got the grey emerald." He literally says that he's accepted he can't beat Sonic, which is why he doesn't even make an effort to kill him: https://imgur.com/a/46FejUG


Here's the scaling that put one Post-Harmony emerald thousands of times above a pre-harmony one (about 28,000 times, to be precise): https://imgur.com/a/gZawIvT


So in summary, based on the evidence provided above. Mogul in base form pre-harmony should be high 3A, and Mammoth needs a key for his base form post-harmony to make it clear that he is vastly above his previous base form and has a completely different chaos emerald.

The following characters would be affected by this change: (All characters mentioned are pre GW)

Mogul (obviously)

Sonic Pre GW (consistently fights and damages Mogul)

Naugus (scales off of Sonic)

Tails in base (should scale from Sonic as he is at least relative to them due to their fight in which Sonic wasn't not holding back near the end. also damages base Mogul)

Knuckles (Scales off of Sonic)

Robotnik (Scales off of Sonic)

Other Freedom Fighters that would scale off of Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles: Sally, Bunnie, Antoine, Nicole, Elias.
 
Didn't see that.

I think Mogul should get a Universal key, though I don't believe it would scale to Sonic without other supporting feats.
 
Sonic has fought mogul while he's had a chaos emerald multiple times. I can give more feats for you, though.
 
https://imgur.com/a/bztsVh7 Some scans of Sonic not only tanking a blast from but damaging Mogul, as well as fighting Naugus who, at the time, was powered by a chaos emerald as well (a post harmony one no less). And Mogul showed concern of the idea of naugus getting an emerald, implying that he'd at least be near him in power.
 
I wasn't aware the ZoS was stated to be infinite, I wasn't using that feat regardless but it just backs up my feats more then. If Mogul and Naugus are 2-C, they certainly scale to base sonic without question.
 
That was in reference to a totally different feat to the two feats I've given. Naugus was not in the ZoS when he fought sonic with his emerald staff and Sonic flat out took an attack from a supercharged chaos emerald mogul and then dropped him.
 
One thing I would change in the OP is that there's far, FAR more Chaos Emeralds in the universe than hundreds of thousands,for example there's an entire sea of them in the Walker's realm & they covered the entire surface of a star.
 
Well I still believe Executor will disagree to any of these as he might pull something out of the rug you guys have forgotten as he is prone to do. But I'll gladly accept defeat if these upgrades actually do go through.
 
Well case in point we have this:

-2-B Game Super forms upgrades

-5-B Game Base Sonic cast upgrades

-High 2-A Archie Sonic 2-A upgrades

-High 3-A/Low 2-C Archie Sonic cast upgrades

To say the least, we'll be having a pretty tiring year.
 
They're powers were being nullified by those Zone Cop Chokers though,however Scourge does claim he's stronger than everyone in the Riot even after Cal & Al revert to their god forms.

Scourgestrongest
 
ED INFINITUM said:
One thing I would change in the OP is that there's far, FAR more Chaos Emeralds in the universe than hundreds of thousands,for example there's an entire sea of them in the Walker's realm & they covered the entire surface of a star.
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I used that number because it is the largest quantified number we have due to the guide scans. Anything higher would be assumptuous.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Control Collars nullify powers but not physical strength.
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That's kinda contradicted by Scourge getting bullied by Evil BIG of all people on the daily and then as soon as his collars off begins stomping a mudhole into everyone he sees, starting with Big.
 
"Thousands of times higher than before" or "far, far higher than before" would still work in this case.
 
There's actually quite a few contradictions in the Encyclopedia,I physically own it & have read it several times. It's common sense that there's more than hundreds of thousands of emeralds just by looking at some panels,not assumptous in the least.
 
ED INFINITUM said:
There's actually quite a few contradictions in the Encyclopedia,I physically own it & have read it several times.
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The hundreds of thousands scan isn't from the encyclopedia, it's from one of the data files in one of the issues (I would have to look and see which one). Either way, it's all we have to go off of as a "sea of emeralds" isn't a quantification. As I said though, "far higher than before" or "thousands of times stronger than before" still work either way.
 
By assumptuous I meant impossible to quantify. I didn't mean to imply that there aren't more than hundreds of thousands of emeralds in the sea scan. All I'm saying is you have to assume how many more than hundreds of thousands there are in the sea which is not a quantification. Hundreds of thousands is just a safer bet and gives a more concrete number
 
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