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Rimuru vs. Ness
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Let's start with the (potentially decisive) advantages each side have.
Ness: Fate Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Light Manipulation, Transformation, Shield (Halved Damage+Reflection).
Rimuru: High-Mid Regenerationn, Flight, Gluttony (can absorb most emission-type attacks), Multilayer-Barrier (active by default), Hellfire Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement, Martial Arts.
What can Ness do in this fight to win? He seems to lack much of effective attack-methods.
Not sure if Shield can reflect Rimuru's Hellfire Manipulation since it's a type of "Field attack", where first a barrier is created around the target to prevent the heat from escaping, and only then everything within it is burned to cinders. Those are seperate actions. If only the fire attack itself gets reflected, even if the "reflected attack" somehow goes through space-time to reach Rimuru, it would do negliable damage. Unless of course the reflection is some sort of reality-warping ability that specifically only does the exact damage that was done to the Shield, directly to the attacker. Is there anything more specific in that regard?
Ness: Fate Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Light Manipulation, Transformation, Shield (Halved Damage+Reflection).
Rimuru: High-Mid Regenerationn, Flight, Gluttony (can absorb most emission-type attacks), Multilayer-Barrier (active by default), Hellfire Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement, Martial Arts.
What can Ness do in this fight to win? He seems to lack much of effective attack-methods.
Not sure if Shield can reflect Rimuru's Hellfire Manipulation since it's a type of "Field attack", where first a barrier is created around the target to prevent the heat from escaping, and only then everything within it is burned to cinders. Those are seperate actions. If only the fire attack itself gets reflected, even if the "reflected attack" somehow goes through space-time to reach Rimuru, it would do negliable damage. Unless of course the reflection is some sort of reality-warping ability that specifically only does the exact damage that was done to the Shield, directly to the attacker. Is there anything more specific in that regard?
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Ok, let's start with AP:
Rimuru being way above 2.4 Megatons (I think, since it states here that the weakest storm are around those numbers), while Ness is above 6.02 Megatons iirc. So oof, The Smoal child takes AP.
Now with abilities:
Ness can't really get pass High-Mid Regen, however he can use PK Flash, Rockin (to one shot), and Hypnosis to incap him as Rimuru has no resistance. Not sure if Shield can help here, but Ness can heal himself if he has taken mortal damage. Now for the fun part, how's Rimuru supposed to bypass Passive Fate and Probability Manipulato? That's something I don't see happening here in this battle, so I vote for Ness via PSI and Passive fate/Prob.
Rimuru being way above 2.4 Megatons (I think, since it states here that the weakest storm are around those numbers), while Ness is above 6.02 Megatons iirc. So oof, The Smoal child takes AP.
Now with abilities:
Ness can't really get pass High-Mid Regen, however he can use PK Flash, Rockin (to one shot), and Hypnosis to incap him as Rimuru has no resistance. Not sure if Shield can help here, but Ness can heal himself if he has taken mortal damage. Now for the fun part, how's Rimuru supposed to bypass Passive Fate and Probability Manipulato? That's something I don't see happening here in this battle, so I vote for Ness via PSI and Passive fate/Prob.
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Rimuru resists all of Ness' status effect inducements because of Inorganic Physiology Type 1, Self-Sustainance Type 3, Paralysis Resistance and Mind Manipulation Resistance.
I also don't see anything stopping Rimuru from using Predator/Gluttony to eat all the long-range attacks that Ness can throw at him.
In regards to CQC, Rimuru possesses Martial Arts, which Ness does not and Rimuru's CQC combat style is not about brute force attcks, but rather using a sword for cutting, slashing and stabbing. Even if Ness lands a hit, the attack needs to go through a Multilayer-Barrier with "Physical Attack Resistance" first and then once again go through the innate Physical Attack Resistance and an additional innate Body Armor Skill (which is independent from the protection of Rimuru's equipment) and then further needs to deal with Rimuru's High-Mid Regenerationn. Rimuru can also fly.
For offense, Rimuru can use his Hellfire Manipulation (pierces through highest levels of Fire Resistance) and Gluttony (Ness does not have Corrosion Resistance or any sort of direct Regenerationn aside from healing spells/items).
Now in regards to Fate and Probability Manipulation, Rimuru on that key only has a Blessing ("Divine Protection") by a High 4-C True Dragon (who has Fate Manipulation Resistance, but I am not sure if he got it at the current key or not). Regardless, the Fate and Probability Manipulation only seem to be for defensive purposes. For example Ness could still miss attacks or get critically hit by an opponent. So based on that I don't think Ness can get any offensive advantages from those traits, at most it can "somehow" become an incon.
I also don't see anything stopping Rimuru from using Predator/Gluttony to eat all the long-range attacks that Ness can throw at him.
In regards to CQC, Rimuru possesses Martial Arts, which Ness does not and Rimuru's CQC combat style is not about brute force attcks, but rather using a sword for cutting, slashing and stabbing. Even if Ness lands a hit, the attack needs to go through a Multilayer-Barrier with "Physical Attack Resistance" first and then once again go through the innate Physical Attack Resistance and an additional innate Body Armor Skill (which is independent from the protection of Rimuru's equipment) and then further needs to deal with Rimuru's High-Mid Regenerationn. Rimuru can also fly.
For offense, Rimuru can use his Hellfire Manipulation (pierces through highest levels of Fire Resistance) and Gluttony (Ness does not have Corrosion Resistance or any sort of direct Regenerationn aside from healing spells/items).
Now in regards to Fate and Probability Manipulation, Rimuru on that key only has a Blessing ("Divine Protection") by a High 4-C True Dragon (who has Fate Manipulation Resistance, but I am not sure if he got it at the current key or not). Regardless, the Fate and Probability Manipulation only seem to be for defensive purposes. For example Ness could still miss attacks or get critically hit by an opponent. So based on that I don't think Ness can get any offensive advantages from those traits, at most it can "somehow" become an incon.
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Yes, I did not see Self-Sustainance in his profile, my apologies; he truly resist all of Ness' status effect. However, Ness' abilities isn't Mind manipulation (which really makes me wonder if we can get a Psionic Manipulaton profile).
Does that ability specifically "eat" psychic attacks? If it does, then that means Rockin and Flash are out of the question.
That is true that Rimuru possesses more skills then Ness, who is just a 12 year old kid carrying a bat. However, given that Ness is able to tank a nuke to the face and only suffer minor damage and the fact that he can tank multiple PSI abilities (Starstorm arguably being one of the strongest one) and still manage to heal is something that will give Rimuru some trouble. An addition to that, he can stack up shields to protect himself and also use it to halve the damage taken and reflect it back to Rimuru (though, it will most likely not do anything based on what his profile states).
I mean, can you provide scans of it bypassing "highest-Levels" of Fire resistance? That's true that Ness doesn't have resistance.
Fate and Probability Manipulaton is provided by this dude, which is on a 2-C scale. And yes, it's more of protection then say something like Yhwach Fate manip (which Frankly would belong to Truth).
So yeah, I'll go with Inconclusive
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Didn't Poo say Ness was a really gifted as a fighter? or was that only for PSI?
Either way, I am also gonna say Inconclusive FRA.
Either way, I am also gonna say Inconclusive FRA.
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Pretty sure it was just Poo complimenting Ness on how he was able to use PSI abilities without any training.
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incon FRA
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This battle is dead. Rimuru just got upgraded to High 7-A.
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Oof
Though, to be fair Post Magicant Ness went up against Dreamy Bowser (who is 2-B) and forced an inconclusive there.
Wouldn't it be the same here?
Though, to be fair Post Magicant Ness went up against Dreamy Bowser (who is 2-B) and forced an inconclusive there.
Wouldn't it be the same here?
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While it might be interesting to think of ways how Fate Manipulation could "somehow" save Ness from a one-shot death, without breaking the rules or going full NLF, the only thing I can think of is preventing the battle to happen in the first place. Which is supposed to happen here anyway.
Of course if you want to try your luck with getting an incon with Post Magnicant Ness against a 2-B, you might as well try to do so against EoS Rimuru (WN). I wish you luck with that.
Of course if you want to try your luck with getting an incon with Post Magnicant Ness against a 2-B, you might as well try to do so against EoS Rimuru (WN). I wish you luck with that.
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Isn't Rimuru, like one of the strongest 2-B? Heck no, I'd rather do Mario or Xeno Goku/Demigra.
The whole thing about Fate/Prob manip is that Ness was fated to defeat Giygas throughout the adventure, and negated Giygas 99% chance win against him (who only had a 1% chance).
I think you know where I am getting at.
The whole thing about Fate/Prob manip is that Ness was fated to defeat Giygas throughout the adventure, and negated Giygas 99% chance win against him (who only had a 1% chance).
I think you know where I am getting at.
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Ah right, it was like that. But I think that would actually be, ironically, in Rimuru's favor.
You see, Rimuru has the tendency to take the burdens of those he eats (unless it's mindless monsters with no rationality). In other words if the Fate/Prob manip's priority is for Giygas to be beaten or something along those lines, then Rimuru might actually bypass that by taking that goal up as a legacy and fulfill Ness' destiny by himself.
You see, Rimuru has the tendency to take the burdens of those he eats (unless it's mindless monsters with no rationality). In other words if the Fate/Prob manip's priority is for Giygas to be beaten or something along those lines, then Rimuru might actually bypass that by taking that goal up as a legacy and fulfill Ness' destiny by himself.
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Actually, I should have probably specified that fate/probability Manipulation was active throughout the entire Adventure.
I mean, then Rimuru would become one of the choosen one lol. However, that seems unlikely if Rimuru has a way to deal with the god tier, Truth of the universe.
I mean, then Rimuru would become one of the choosen one lol. However, that seems unlikely if Rimuru has a way to deal with the god tier, Truth of the universe.
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Rimuru's Great Sage was able to partially "hack" - and utlize functions of - a being comparable to the Truth of the Universe, called "Voice of the World". I'd argue that this might cause just enough of an error within the fate system, that for Rimuru's enourmous AP advtantage to slip through the fate system's fingers...
No, never mind this is getting ridiculous now. Let's just end it here since we are only going to discuss hypotheticals about things that were "technically true", but probably used very differently in the original work.
This remade match-up is weird in itself. Why would that fate system even allow this impossible battle in the first place when it's clear that there is no chance at actual victory?
No, really. Let's just stop.
No, never mind this is getting ridiculous now. Let's just end it here since we are only going to discuss hypotheticals about things that were "technically true", but probably used very differently in the original work.
This remade match-up is weird in itself. Why would that fate system even allow this impossible battle in the first place when it's clear that there is no chance at actual victory?
No, really. Let's just stop.
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Eh, I suppose?
We are sorta derailing, which as you know is not allowed within vs threads. But, you know, it was nice regardless and I can appreciate that you just want to stop it entirely as that's what was supposed to be done before. What am I even saying any more? My apologies.
I'm iffy overall, but hey? Who am I to say that? I'll keep that to myself, good day now.
We are sorta derailing, which as you know is not allowed within vs threads. But, you know, it was nice regardless and I can appreciate that you just want to stop it entirely as that's what was supposed to be done before. What am I even saying any more? My apologies.
I'm iffy overall, but hey? Who am I to say that? I'll keep that to myself, good day now.
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Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel) is now High 7-A so this fight is a One-Shot thus an Attack Potency Stomp.
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AP doesn't mean anything when a 2-C's fate and probability hax are protecting Ness from dying
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To extent because I known believe Ness still could lose in the games? Besides, Ness is not the only characters who succeeded at something with about 1% chance. Also, Ness's final key is comparable to Giygas so I pretty sure that 1% chance is mute since it I believe it was stated earlier.Overlord775 said:
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Nass being able to die in the game is just game mechanics and thus not canon.
Also it comes from The Truth of The Universe, which appartly helped him from the start of his adventure because insert chosen One meme here
Also it comes from The Truth of The Universe, which appartly helped him from the start of his adventure because insert chosen One meme here
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