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Try beating this guy

Senkoro

Senkoro

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So I was thinking of if there was any character of similar or lower tier that can defeat this guy.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

Basically he's ranked at low 2-C.

The conditions are selecting up to 5 characters tier low 2-C or lower, (you can't use Aleister himself to beat himself)

To try and win against Aleister while he gets full knowledge and 2 years of prep time, (5 characters get 0 prep time, no knowledge).
 
Aleister isn't particulary impressive for low Tier 2 in my opinion.

Especially if you ignore the possibly 2-A parts you end up with a character with limited omnipresence and 2-C attack power without any known special skills.

Prep time is hard to judge for him since we don't know what the range of his actions with prep are. Additionally he can not really mess with the characters themself before the battle.

Sooo... Reinhard Heydrich takes it, I guess (to further hype dies irae before we even can make profiles for them).
 
A low 2-C character could never beat him because he has 2-A durability. He can probably get stalemated by Giorno alone, though.
 
Reinhard Heydrich

Would you mind explaining who this guy is? All I get is some German guy when I search him.
 
Giorno Giovanna

Didn't he lose against Othinius? I don't see how Aleister is any weaker.

Aleister isn't particulary impressive for low Tier 2 in my opinion.

True he isn't impressive in attacks alone, but he can use spells to weaken his opponents beforehand.
 
How did othinus beat GER if he's infinitely faster and can negate everything she does?


Not that i agree with the infinite speed since a shit ton of characters are not bound by time and still arent that like Bastard top tiers
 
Dragons sin said:
How did othinus beat GER if he's infinitely faster and can negate everything she does?

Not that i agree with the infinite speed since a shit ton of characters are not bound by time and still arent that like Bastard top tiers
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Because Othinius has better hax. Also did GER destroy a universe or not? Not just rewrite a timeline I mean, anyone with time manipulation could do that.
 
KazarianFahs said:
Arceus,Hades(Saint Seiya),Medaka Kuromaki,Heaven Ascension Dio and Bill Cipher.Have fun :)
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There isn't really anyone you mentioned that can beat Aleister though
 
The real cal howard said:
Palkia and Dialga freezes him in time and BFRs him.
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Interesting theory, but he could probably move in frozen time. He did survive as imaginary numbers after all.
 
Senkoro said:
Dragons sin said:
How did othinus beat GER if he's infinitely faster and can negate everything she does?

Not that i agree with the infinite speed since a shit ton of characters are not bound by time and still arent that like Bastard top tiers
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Because Othinius has better hax. Also did GER destroy a universe or not? Not just rewrite a timeline I mean, anyone with time manipulation could do that.
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Negating both cause and effect is superior to anything she has in her arsenal and he never destroyed the universe he negated universal time skip
 
Senkoro said:
Reinhard Heydrich Would you mind explaining who this guy is?
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Without discussing him in detail, since I only argue on his abilities based on stuff I gathered around the internet, here is the reason why I bring him up:

Reinhard Heydrich has a lance that grants him three effects:

1. It never misses its target

2. It makes the wielder always a little bit faster than the opponent he is facing

3. It destroys everything with one hit (a conceptual weapon, I believe)

Basically he has the ability to blitz everyone (limits do apply). I have read a few sources but the ACF profile is the most detailed. But as said I am mostly bringing him up, because I am hyped for the series, I can not really discuss him without knowing the whole story.
 
Dragons sin said:
Negating both cause and effect is superior to anything she has in her arsenal and he never destroyed the universe he negated universal time skip
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Othinus only won against him as he wasn't ranked as infinite speed. With infinite speed she would be blitzed.

That said negating cause and effect isn't impressive for any Universe level+ character. They can all destroy a timeline, aka destroy every cause and effect in existence at once.
 
Dragons sin said:
Senkoro said:
Dragons sin said:
How did othinus beat GER if he's infinitely faster and can negate everything she does?

Not that i agree with the infinite speed since a shit ton of characters are not bound by time and still arent that like Bastard top tiers
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Because Othinius has better hax. Also did GER destroy a universe or not? Not just rewrite a timeline I mean, anyone with time manipulation could do that.
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Negating both cause and effect is superior to anything she has in her arsenal and he never destroyed the universe he negated universal time skip
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That says nothing about damage, maybe homura should be universal also because she negated timelines many times, maybe we should also put superman as universal because he went back in time. In fiction negating time isn't equal to destroying a universe.
 
DontTalk said:
Senkoro said:
Reinhard Heydrich Would you mind explaining who this guy is?
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Without discussing him in detail, since I only argue on his abilities based on stuff I gathered around the internet, here is the reason why I bring him up:
Reinhard Heydrich has a lance that grants him three effects:

1. It never misses its target

2. It makes the wielder always a little bit faster than the opponent he is facing

3. It destroys everything with one hit (a conceptual weapon, I believe)

Basically he has the ability to blitz everyone (limits do apply). I have read a few sources but the ACF profile is the most detailed. But as said I am mostly bringing him up, because I am hyped for the series, I can not really discuss him without knowing the whole story.
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That sounds like Gungnir, however would he even have the chance to throw it? If aleister has prep time, he could cast a spell that negates his attacks, or weakens him to the point where he is infinitely weaker. I assume since he weakened the Magic Gods he has some knowledge of how to cast spells that would allow him to do this to others as well.

Do you know what source material he is from? I never heard of this person ever.
 
Giorno drains his willpower via C&E manip and then proceeds to LOD punch him. GG.

Aleister would need to be Acausal to be able to tank a hit like that.
 
Reinhard Heydrich is from Dies Irae.

And he can throw it.

Prep time doesn't mean that aleister can start attacking (weakening spell would be attacking) the opponent before the fight starts and at the moment the fight starts Reinhard attacks first, since it is the ability of the lance to make it so that he is faster than aleister.

Shields against conceptual attacks / reality warping are generally rather useless, so aleister can hardly block a spear that can destroy everything.
 
DontTalk said:
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
Aleister would need to be Acausal
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Given that he can exist in a place without the concept of distance and time, I wouldn't even bet against that.
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Living in places outside of distance/time does not equal one being above the laws of causality though as I have been told before. He would have to be specifcally stated to be above its laws.
 
@Senkoro

This is Dies Irae, a crazy popular hentai game in japan and got recognized as one of the most powerful verse of japanese fiction (and yes, it's a hentai game)

Well laws of casuality<magic in index apparently, Aleister is technically a magician.

I dont think it work on that way. In Shinza Bansho verse ( Dies Irae, KKK, Paradise Lost) power doesnt matter, what is truly matter is their Taikyouku value. While the other verses use the higher power to oppose their opponent but again Shinza's gods it's nothing more than a joke. A gods with extremely high hyperversal stat with 10 taikyouku can be instantly killed by a wall level gods with 11 taikyouku. That's right, if you dont have taikyouku, you're screwed again the gods in Shinza Bansho. Your attacks doesnt exist to them, your ability doesnt exist to them, you're nothing to them. Heh, due to this natural of taikyouku, every gods in Shinza got ranked at 1-A in ACF wiki, like this guy (use the google translation to read them okay o3o)
 
^ Please read the opening, I know Elder God Demonbane can win, there are rules that apply here.

Is it really that popular? It doesn't come up on google.

Basically you just have to read

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Othinus

To know that she can pretty much do whatever in the universe.

Othinius is a magic god, but Aleister is above her. The actual magic gods are beyond space time and were unaffected when Othinius casually destroyed the world.
 
Senkoro said:
^ Please read the opening, I know Elder God Demonbane can win, there are rules that apply here.
Is it really that popular? It doesn't come up on google.

Basically you just have to read

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Othinus

To know that she can pretty much do whatever in the universe.

Othinius is a magic god, but Aleister is above her. The actual magic gods are beyond space time and were unaffected when Othinius casually destroyed the world.
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Being beyond space/time does not equal being above the laws of cause and effect. Unless there are scans which show someone going back in time to kill Aleister/Othinus, and they are still alive in the present I would believe that the verse is acasual.

Giorno can still take Aleister at this point in time.
 
For cause and effect to occur time must exist. Unless Giorno is 4-D he can't affect Aleister who is beyond the 3-D realm of cause and effect. Also isn't negating a durabilty not an attack feat?
 
Senkoro said:
For cause and effect to occur time must exist. Unless Giorno is 4-D he can't affect Aleister who is beyond the 3-D realm of cause and effect. Also isn't negating a durabilty not an attack feat?
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GER is 4D... By existing outside time/space.

The whole GER moving while King Crimson used its time/space erasing ability.
 
Howdoes GIorno not one shot everyone else in the story then? Why is there still a story? Isn't Giorno still a regular human?

Also didn't Giorno get defeated by Heaven Ascension Dio?
 
Senkoro said:
How is GIorno not the most op character then? Why is there still a story? Isn't Giorno still a regular human?
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Giorno himself is a human, GER is the insanely haxed stand that basically protects Gio if shit goes down.

Also there is still a story because Giorno lost access to GER after his fight with KC.
 
Whose KC? Also didn't Heaven's Ascension Dio beat him? Aleister is stronger than Heaven's Ascension Dio.

He created a spell that weakened magic Gods enough so he could easily kill them. Saying that GER can negated something of that magnitude sounds like NLF.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/High_Priest

This guy was killed by Aleister's minon Noukan.
 
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