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Are the Ainur a type 4 Acausality?
Are the Ainur a type 4 Acausality?
Saga89 said:As I understand special relativity (not much to be fair) and my translation of the Silmarillion, I would argue that all Ainur should have some form of Acausality given how they were created in a void bereft of any form of matter: the only things into this void were those projected by Eru Iluvatar and were not made of matter since the hröa, or matter, only exists within Arda, and without matter there can be no time as is commonly experienced. To be fair to Melkor, possibly there could have existed no causality before the singing of the Ainulindale, since it may have been the first action to have a material consequence. Without the introduction of the dissonance into the Ainulindale, Arda would have been a static place where matter would have been unchangable, and elves and men would have never come into being (as they were introduced by Iluvatar to fight the dissonance in the 3rd movement). And so, an universe of unchanging matter with unchanging Ainur would have still been an universe with no (or at least different) type of causality.
MasterOfArda said:I would assume so, especially since not just Space but Time also doesn't exist.