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Urahara vs Itachi

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urahara wins mid diff. his bankai is really hax, he was able to increase his durability and manipulate gift-sphere which should be impossible, that means yata mirror wont help itachi, amaterasu wont kill urahara, so urahara can spam his kido skills as much as he wins ^_^

as for genjutsu: urahra has immense kido skills, that means any technique except for totsuka blade and tsukuyomi should be fails, they will make the fight a lot harder for urahara but his broken-ness should give him the victory :)
 
binding kidou and seals will be Itachi's downfall,coupled with Urahara's speed advantage, hax advantage, range advantage, and ability to fly..

i'd say Urahara wins.
 
Urahara, he faster than itachi and his bankai can ignore all of itachi susanoo defense as long as he keep at close distance between the two.
 
Bijuus took their master from genjutsus... could the zanpakutou do the same?

Either way, bakudous would be a great problem to Itachi. Urahara has a speed advantage. If Itachi uses his Susanoo, aside the bakudous, he could use bankai to open a path in it and attack Itachi directly. Of course, if the Susanoo could stop his user to be affected to the bankai ability directly (restructuring Itachi inside of Susanoo)
 
Urahara's Bankai can be used to restructure his own body for the purposes of healing, increasing muscle strength like he had when he broke the stalemate with Askin, basically just increase/enhance any aspect of his body as needed.

He can restructure the environment and even his opponent as it had against Askin as soon as it was released and Itachi unfortunately doesn't have the ability to adapt to and negate the Recontruction effect Kisuke's Bankai would have on his body. Kisuke could very well pull Itachi apart at the seems just with his Bankai.

Then there is the other factors of his more conventional skill set outside of Bankai, but just with Bankai, Itachi would lose. Immediately.
 
Isn't this edo itachi,as in infinite chakra,infinte regen?

I have no idea about urahura tho,if he's faster and has soul sealing hax,he should win.
 
how on earth is urahara gonna beat an Itachi with infinite chakra?

Itachi has the best defense in naruto...(the yata mirror). with infinite chakra he can just use that to block everything forever. the databook says yata mirror literally makes every type of technique innefective (elemental, physical, spiritual). even his Bankai isn't gonna get past that

if this was alive Itachi he'd run out of chakra after a while. but this one can literally stay in stage 3 susanoo forever, while spamming amaterau , magatamas and totsuka if urahara gets close.

i'm also not quite seeing why being skilled with Kido would make you immune to genjutsu. even being skilled in genjutsu itself in naruto doesn't make you immune to it. Orochimaru had a 5 in genjutsu (max rating) and lost to it instantly. even Itachi himself was caught by Kabuto's genjutsu at some point.
 
Hiei312 said:
how on earth is urahara gonna beat an Itachi with infinite chakra?
Itachi has the best defense in naruto...(the yata mirror). with infinite chakra he can just use that to block everything forever. the databook says yata mirror literally makes every type of technique innefective (elemental, physical, spiritual)

if this was alive Itachi he'd run out of chakra after a while. but this one can literally stay in stage 3 susanoo forever, while spamming amaterau , magatamas and totsuka if urahara gets close.

i'm also not quite seeing why being skilled with Kido would make you immune to genjutsu. even being skilled in genjutsu itself in naruto doesn't make you immune to it. Orochimaru had a 5 in genjutsu (max rating) and lost to it instantly. even Itachi himself was caught by Kabuto's genjutsu at some point.
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Is this wanking or what? also urahara bankai is not even elemental, physical, spiritual attack..are you trying to say that just because the data book says yata mirror literally makes every type of technique ineffective then every single power including, reality,probability,time,casually, and even concept hax ineffective?
 
obviously he can't stop things like reality, time, probability. causality or concept hax , at that point the attack is no longer even affecting itachi himself (its affecting a primal force/concept of the universe as a whole) so the shield won't stop it

Urahara's attacks though are regular attacks that affect the opponent directly, and nowhere remotely near the level of reality manipulation. i don't see any reason why yata shield wouldn't stop it
 
i not gonna vote yet this one, but i think urahara bankai being really overrated here

urahara break through gift ball because he attack it from weak spot

here what he say "you kept saying it was inescapable, but you never mentioned it was impenetrable.(...) and from outside the ball i was able to create a path. thanks for the advice"

he was not able to break through it where it was strongest. why Urahara would worry about detail like this if it completely ignore durability tearing space?
 
Saitamax said:
i not gonna vote yet this one, but i think urahara bankai being really overrated here
urahara break through gift ball because he attack it from weak spot

here what he say "you kept saying it was inescapable, but you never mentioned it was impenetrable.(...) and from outside the ball i was able to create a path. thanks for the advice"

he was not able to break through it where it was strongest. why Urahara would worry about detail like this if it completely ignore durability tearing space?
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and where it say he hit the weak spot? also urahara is still inside gift ball so one way or another he need to break from the gift ball..
 
he used his bankai outside to hit it. gift ball almost unbreakable from inside, but as uarahara said, not from outside.

he break it, but because it had big weakness of being weaker in outer layer comparted to iner layer. this is why urahara thanked for advice, he use the information to win...it was more a feat or Urahara being very smart.

that was the purpose of that scene. if urahara bankai was true space hax it makes his whole planning worthless since he could just cut through space and break it anywhere. but he needed the info of gift ball being weaker from outside.

in case of Itachi susanoo,the situation very different. Askin could not see what happen outside his gift ball, so urahara can calmly weave his way in with bankai from weak spot. susano'o is a small shielding thing covering the user, he can't catch it offguard or find weak spot easily like with Askin.
 
here what he say "you kept saying it was inescapable, but you never mentioned it was impenetrable.(...) and from outside the ball i was able to create a path. thanks for the advice"

he never say about giff ball dura is too much for him, not to mention then in that case he break through yata from the inside of susanoo..and he is also faster..
 
also it can be just pure strategy since break directly from inside then he will likely make a Askin to aware for what he has planned..
 
he never say it but you have to see if it wasn't the whole fight makes no sense as he could just break it inside the whole time with no need of plan. the durability inside was obviously too much to break or the writting makes no sense.

i said, askin was blind to what happen outside his big ball. that is why this worked. he not gonna manifest a bankai inside susano'o and break it with itachi seeing it. at lest not seems so from what we seen

he faster yea...but not to the amount were he can blitz him. its why i not sure about fight. i think it probably inconclusive.
 
that just your speculation since he never say anything about gif ball dura, also break directly in front you your enemy to launch a surprise attack is stupid.
 
no but he say this which is basically the same


"you kept saying it was inescapable but you never mentioned it was impenetrable. (...) thanks for the advice"

why woud that statement be there? that obvious case of writer telling reader of character plan. urahara also consider inside "inescapable". so he thanks for advice of breaking it outside


sry for bad english, not too use to make big arguments in english yet -_-
 
you kept saying it was inescapable but you never mentioned it was impenetrable

do you even know what is impenetrable even mean? he literally say just because askin never say his giff hax is cannot be penetrable then he tried to penetrate them, but he do that from the outside because why you wanna expose your surprise attack to your enemy in front of him?
 
impenetrable is obvious being used as an opposite to inescapable there


"you kept saying its inescapable" = I can't escape it (get out from inside)


"but never said its impenetrable" = but I can penetrate it (get in from outside)


not mention, it took a long time for Urahara to break it. he almost die from the poison. if he has true space hax you really think he wait till poison almost kills him to break gift ball? of course not..he had to slowly weave way in from outside. if he can just break it effortlessly literaly whole fight stops making any sense.
 
Saitamax said:
impenetrable is obvious being used as an opposite to inescapable there

"you kept saying its inescapable" = I can't escape it (get out from inside)


"but never said its impenetrable" = but I can penetrate it (get in from outside)


not mention, it took a long time for Urahara to break it. he almost die from the poison. if he has true space hax you really think he wait till poison almost kills him to break gift ball? of course not..he had to slowly weave way in from outside. if he can just break it effortlessly literaly whole fight stops making any sense.
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what? he can't spam his bankai in anywhere, originally is only effective at close range, if he can do that then he doesn't even need to penetrable askin gif ball, just break his body instead.
 
gift ball had weakness outside. that's why Askin kept saying "casn't escape". he never considered the trap opponent would attack the ball from outside. its why urahara couldn't break it from inside but could from outside.

yata mirror doesn't work like that..it just repels every attack by altering their nature. don't have weak spot like gift ball...i'm talking about is, urahara attack can't be true space hax, if it was he can just break gift ball instantly and not nearly die from poison. he needed complicated plan and time to get through the ball in specific way.

since his attack seem to have obvious limit, its doubtful he can pass yata shield (or even just susanoo itself).
 
so since when yata is inescapable? also again you only bringing speculation about giff ball weakness since oblivious inescapable is not about dura, its more like you cant reach it.
 
^ I know nothing about urahura,so i won't get in that argument.

Quick question-What would a kunai(or any other ninja weapon) at point blank range to Urahura's head would do?
 
basically in bleach even fodder Sternritter is faster than itachi and urahara in his weakened form manage to fight askin which is The swiftest among the elites Sternritter
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
basically in bleach even fodder Sternritter is faster than itachi and urahara in his weakened form manage to fight askin which is The swiftest among the elites Sternritter
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You still didn't answer me T.T
 
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