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Grace Momoshiki (0-7) Kaguya-chan vs Momoshiki-sama (Thanks.)

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Ahem !! Ahem !! Ahem !!

The battle between the 2 greatest enemies of Naruto-Kung and Sasuke-Kung, both of them have to fight for the strongest position.

Kaguya was awakened by Zetsu. She releases a lot of chakra, causing the Momoshiki to come to her. Immediately after finding her chakra, Momoshiki traveled from the sky and looked at Kaguya from the below. Both of them looked at each other.

Momoshiki: I want to meet you for a long time.

Kaguya: I thought that someday you must travel to me.

In that situation, team 7 was shocked because there was a new enemy with a huge chakra.

Kaguya and Momoshiki started talking. But cannot

The both opened a fierce fight.

The battle began.

Momoshiki gag 111
I will turn you into my food and take the Chakra that you stole from the chakra fruit. Come back You're just a weak woman. come here. !!

Kaguya gag 111
I'm not like before I'm stronger than before for after eating chakra fruit. I will overcome you

- Range: 10 m. (Momoshiki is on the sky. Kaguya is below.)

- Win via death.

- Place: anywhere (Can travel anywhere, The starting point is the dimension of Kaguya, or the planet of Naruto.)


No rules

fighting with the all power and killed each other.


The battle begins. !!!

( 7 Voted)

Kaguya-chan:

Momoshiki-same:

Kagu-momo gag 112
Kaguya: I'm sorry
Momoshiki: No !! Go away !!
 
I mean momoshiki held his own against a stronger naruto and sasuke and lasted longer

I'm also pretty sure sasuke straight up says him and kinshiki are bigger threats than kaguya

Ontop of that kagura was scared of them hence preparing a zetsu army

So I'm pretty sure momoshiki is stronger
 
I think Mmoshiki would absorb anything she throws at him and use them but stonger. She has no way of actually beating him. The more techniques she uses the stronger he gets until he is exactly like her but more power. The only thing he cant absorb is probably the instant aoe teleportation. She cant BFR him cause he has dimensional teleportation too. ETSB just gets absorbed and then he uses a more powerful ETSB. Only think she has on him is regen. And it is possible that he just absorbs her by turning her inito a chakra fruit.
 
Considering kaguya knew she was no match for momoshiki yeah I'm pretty sure it is
 
Schnee One said:
If she can just absorb anything Kaguya has, isn't this a stomp?
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It is definitely a stomp. In verse she was so terrified of him she was preparing an army to fight him and was literally the entire reason that things went to shit in the shinobi verse.
 
He certainly should be unless urashiki's time stop turns out to be actually good or Kara's leader Jigen is as powerful as he is being hyped to be.
 
IIRC he wasn't the only one that she was preparing for, so tecnically he has nothing that says he is stronger.

He still GG absorbs. And I don't like the idea of saying nlf on him absorbing the ETSB when he is stated to be able to absorb anything (I think?), not liking the idea of using nlf in-verse.


even if he cannot, he teleports out of the dimensions and then starts to slap again.
 
He should have the same level of absorption as her so I dont think it is an NLF that he can absorb ETSB.

She was certainly not scared of Kinshiki. And it is only Urashiki that could possibly be more powerful.
 
You don't even know the mechanics of the chakra fruit transformation; Kinshiki willingly allowed himself to be transformed. It's unusable with so little information.

And Momoshiki obviously has crap chakra amount and control. If Kaguya stops using ninjutsu, she will beat him. Let's not act like we weren't flat out shown that Momoshiki is useless without absorbed chakra...or that Kaguya can also absorb chakra and actually has a feat of reforming herself after being overloaded...or that Kaguya could have killed Naruto with her portal + ash bones combination if she actually wanted to at the beginning, and Naruto has better sensory perception and battle awareness than Momoshiki could ever have.

There's certainly no stomp here if you ask me, but I won't bother debating. I'm sure the Naruto mains know how I feel about this match-up. Probably contradicts what the authors want to portray, but whatever, it's their fault for giving Momo frequent anti-feats and making him look useless without continuous chakra absorption and chakra pill consumption.
 
I guess.

Still, her fearing all 3 together isn't enough to say that he is canonically superior... logic is.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
You don't even know the mechanics of the chakra fruit transformation; Kinshiki willingly allowed himself to be transformed. It's unusable with so little information.
And Momoshiki obviously has crap chakra amount and control. If Kaguya stops using ninjutsu, she will beat him. Let's not act like we weren't flat out shown that Momoshiki is useless without absorbed chakra...or that Kaguya can also absorb chakra and actually has a feat of reforming herself after being overloaded...or that Kaguya could have killed Naruto with her portal + ash bones combination if she actually wanted to at the beginning, and Naruto has better sensory perception and battle awareness than Momoshiki could ever have.

There's certainly no stomp here if you ask me, but I won't bother debating. I'm sure the Naruto mains know how I feel about this match-up. Probably contradicts what the authors want to portray, but whatever, it's their fault for giving Momo frequent anti-feats and making him look useless without continuous chakra absorption and chakra pill consumption.
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I agree with the first whic his why it was the last thing I talked about.

Momoshiki is clearly a better h2h fighter than her even with his anti feats, if she went h2h she would lose 100%. She was not overloaded The tailed beast chakra simply reacted with her's casuing an evolution of a sort. Not that it goes against what you are saying tbh, just a minor correction. She would have killed them if not for Kakashi and Obito who were both MVPs in that fight. However Momoshiki has absorption unlike them both. Considering he can absorb shadows he can certainly absorb ashbones. I disagree that Naruto has better battle perception. He has better overall battle senses but mosmohiki still her the byakugan making her blindspot portals lkinda useless and Momoshikis battle sense is better than Kaguya's.

I feel that the moment Kaguya uses 8 god vacuums palm she would def lose. The moment she goes h2h she is def at a disadvantage.
 
Momo's best hand-to-hand skills come from the anime, which is kinda weird as it shows us some different things from what we see in the manga and other mediums. Seriously, the Momoshiki invasion is quite messed up.

Forgot about the Byakugan. Ok, that's right but Kaguya also does have the Byakugan so she could know about its blind spot. How does Momo have better senses? Kaguya has SPS, while Momo doesn't. Anyway, it's not that important because of the Byakugan, although it still has a blind spot Kaguya might know of.
 
The blind spot is barely a few centimeters wide. Doubt she can make a portal, fit an ash bones in it, and kill him before he moves his eyes a little bit to the side and sees it coming.
 
Typed a lot more, but it won't let me post for some reason so I had to take off like 75% of my post. I'll try to summarize my points later if fandom allows me.
 
Again kaguya knew she couldn't beat momoshiki and so she made an army to prepare and even then didn't know if it was enough

Any argument in her favor goes against the narrative of the story and the statements from multiple characters

Also by SBA this is momoshiki after eating kinshiki which makes it even worse
 
Okay, I'll try not to say more as I won't be able to stop myself from continuing a lot more, and I don't want to do that. I'm just going to say that while the authors mean for Momo to look stronger, strength is not everything. They have their special abilities and weaknesses. Kaguya is obviously stronger than Madara, but won't necessarily beat him in a fight. There's certainly nothing to suggest god tiers can stomp each other with strength alone. It's completely baseless and has never happened. It's never said Momo and Kin will 100% win in a fight, Kaguya was just wary of their power, which made her to assemble an army to strengthen her chances against them.

But going by feats, Momo needs to absorb Kinshiki to beat Kaguya, in my opinion.
 
By SBA this is momoshiki after eating kinshiki

Even then base momoshiki still absorbs and fires everything back at kaguya
 
Doesn't Kaguya have better usage of the Byakugans than Momo tho?

Kaguya can use Gentle Fist, both directly and long ranged (the latter she did so easily against a crow Sasuke summoned)

Momo has no notable feats with gentle fist and given he relies far more on the Rinnegan for his main absorbing hax, that should raise flags about this.

So Kaguya's attacks should be able to bypass his durablity too.
 
Xerkser500 said:
Doesn't Kaguya have better usage of the Byakugans than Momo tho?
Kaguya can use Gentle Fist, both directly and long ranged (the latter she did so easily against a crow Sasuke summoned)

Momo has no notable feats with gentle fist and given he relies far more on the Rinnegan for his main absorbing hax, that should raise flags about this.

So Kaguya's attacks should be able to bypass his durablity too.
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She would have to actually land those attacks first.

And in the anime Momoshiki does know gentle fist.

Also Kaguya does not know gentle fist but she can she vitals and uses her hair spike things to pierce them.
 
Xerkser500 said:
She outright hit the chakra points of Sasukes crow summon.

That's gentle fist.
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No that's just using the Byakugan. Gentle Fist is sending chakra into internal organs through palm strikes and the like. Hitting Sasuke's Crow's Pressure Point with Hair Senbon is not gentle fist or otherwise Haku, who did the exact same thing with Zabuza has gentle fist. The Gentle Fist was specifically said to be created by the Hyuga.
 
False equivalency

Haku using plain old senbon needles doesn't hit the chakra points, its just a regular attack.

Kaguya's senbon specifically hit the chakra points because she has the Byakugans and Hyuga are derived from her.

Also, Gentle Fist is not sending chakra into internal organs, its sending it into the chakra points in the chakra network. The internal organs are just effected as an added result because they're closely aligned with the chakra network. Hit the network and the organs automatically suffer damage.

Lee even explains this when Neji fights Hinata.
 
The Chakra Points are pressure points. the Chakra Network is just the merdian network with Chakra running through it. There's zero difference between Haku doing it and Kaguya doing it besides Kaguya doing through Byakugan and Haku doing it through knowledge.

Kakashi then later states that they specifically use their chakra in their palms to do this.

Also the Hyuga being dervived from Kaguya does not equal that she will have their fighting style that was created far after she was sealed.
 
The Gentle Fist is in Short a fighting style, not a inheriant Byakugan ability to prove my point Boruto who can't activate Byakugan can use it but won't benefit from the Dura neg. Kaguya doesn't know Gentle Fist because it was created before her time. Hitting pressure points with Senbon of all things is not using Gentle Fist.
 
Exept she litirally did that to Sasuke's bird?

Sure, she doesn't have that good of a skill, but it's something.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Exept she litirally did that to Sasuke's bird?

Sure, she doesn't have that good of a skill, but it's something.
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And again. That's not Gentle Fist. That's just hitting pressure points with senbon. 2 different things.
 
AstralKing7 said:
No actually I think Sasuke states that the bird got its chakra sealed. Imma check tho
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Yes because hitting pressure points on the body can either restrict or enhance the Chakra flow. Kaguya's not using any form of gentle fist. She used a Senbon, a tool specifically used to hit these pressure points. There's nothing different from Haku using senbon to hit pressure points or even non canon Sasuke hitting Shinno's pressure points with Chidori senbon to make screw his chakra flow and make his Body Activation Jutsu back fire besides that she's using a Byakugan to help her see them.
 
Dude common sense would tell you it doesn't matter lmao. She stopped the chakra points with needles man lmao. It doesn't matter if she is using the gentle fist because she can still do the same thing without inserting chakra into an opponents bdoy
 
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