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7-B Brackets Round 23

Dargoo_Faust

Dargoo_Faust

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Twenty-third round of the 7-B Brackets begins! These fighters may have made it past the first set of rounds, but how will they fare against other winners?

Current Standings (A "-1" indicates a fighter was disqualified or got stomped for whatever reasons)

The combatants for this round are Anne Mayer, submitted by First Witch, and Lord Vile, submitted by Monarch Laciel.

Accelerator-boosted Vile and War of Prayer Anne are used. Speed is equalized, battle takes place in the Blizzard World map from Overwatch.

Vile has a statement of pulverizing cities, Anne is weaker than 34 megatons.

Lord Vile -

Anne Mayer -

Anne1
Lord Vile New
 
She has a Messiah complex?

How likely is it that she will go ahead and introduce herself?
 
"State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't."
 
Crimson Azoth said:
So. How potent/in character is Anne's powernull?
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Ranging from nulling simple stuff like elemental manip, blood manip and stuff to physic breaking weapons that are directly powered by your mind. Its in character to spam it as her entire martial art is based around it.
 
DontTalkDT said:
She has a Messiah complex?
How likely is it that she will go ahead and introduce herself?
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Zero. Despite her gigantic flaw, shes still a seasoned soldier first. Her messiah complex only kicks in when she sees humans suffer and die before her.
 
"Physics-breaking weapons powered by your mind"

Yup, that sounds like Lord Vile's armour right there
 
By the sounds of it, yeah. And without the armour, Lord Vile cannot access his power... I think. It's been a long time since I read the books
 
How does it work? Does she have to hit someone with something to do it? Does it just sorta happen to everything around her?
 
Wokistan said:
How does it work? Does she have to hit someone with something to do it? Does it just sorta happen to everything around her?
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Needs to hit her enemies with Waves (some sort of Ki energy)
 
By the sounds of it, she uses something called Wave Techniques. It isn't passive, but it has a "tens of meters range", so it doesn't require actual physical contact

edit: ninja'd
 
First Witch said:
Zero. Despite her gigantic flaw, shes still a seasoned soldier first.
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How impolite of her.
 
Just going to copy paste what i said on different threads, people can decide after that.

Skill:

"

Anne is way above both Kagura in skill tho, let me elaborate:

Anne was trained in swordmanship and martial arts since childhood and was as a recrut already immensly above experienced and skilled Knights in raw skills. She was in fact so above them, that Mother Knight, the very first Knight to ever exist, recognised her as a genius and gave her 2 AB Swords (Context: AB Swords are vital for Knights and are immensly rare, due to the limited material), something that only Anne archieved. After becoming a Knight, she quickly rose to the rank of a Master Knight, Knights who survive planetary wars and fought and surivived against Zero Types. Meaning that they are even more skilled than normal knights, who literally bring swords to a mass gun fight and win. But this dosnt stop here. Anne participated, together with Pray, in the Veelches war. That very war shoulderd the entirety of humanity on it. It was such a brutal and unforgiving war that Knights and Master Knights alike died left and right. Fodder beasts in that war manhandled normal Knights and threatend Master Knights in masses.

That war introduced the Cross Eyes, a Zero Type Duo that soloed entire armys of Knights and Master Knights with utter ease. Anne and Pray engaged them in a duel and killed them, winning the entire war.

Another Skill feat of hers was when she engaged a group of Knights in combat. She was unarmed and had to fight against dozen of them at the same time, every Knight, armed with actual weapons and intel on her, rushed at her. She oneshotted them utter ease, bare fisted. She did the same to 3 Master Knights, one of them being a Veelches War comrade, Likewise oneshotted, even though they all attacked coordinated and at the same time. This all happend in a single fight.

I could add more on Anne's skill, there are more feats but i this is not a fangirl post about Anne so i will keep it for myself for now.

As for her gravity hax, i doubt she would manage to pinpoint Anne with enough force, considering that she used it against characters weaker than Anne. I dont doubt that she can apply enough gravity to absolutly seal Anne off, but she would need to know first that she has to apply more force in the first place. And she wont get that intel because Anne finishes near all of her fights in 1 to 4 hits. Not to forget that Anne can amp her sword strikes with Wave energy, creating energy slices that travel further than her normal cut. One bad blocked attack will kill Kagura.

"

Wave techniques:

"

Anne vs blue beetle3
Pray Style

Pray Style 2
Pray Style 3

Pray Style 4
Pray Style 5

Pray Style Pray 04


"

"Human Age":

Human Age is basically composite AB Swords. Once activated Anne can summon every AB sword that has ever existed in the entire setting.

Note worthy Swords are:

Soul Arrows:

Soul arrows.
Soul arrows


Green Ring:

Green Ring
Its Gimmick is its spatial distortion upon striking a enemy


She can summon multiple copys of a single sword and can throw them at her opponents ala Unlimited Blade Works.

Despite its "final weapon" esque status, Anne is not hesitant to activate Human Age at all. She would not instantly activate it at the beginning of the fight, but would do so after a couple of hits, especially if she realize that she cant outright oneshot her opponents like 99% of all of her enemies.
 
I'm gonna wait for Monarch, but at the moment, I am voting for Anne through sheer powernull

Skill is whatevs, Vile has hundreds of years over combat experience and can danmanku Anne with shadows if he gets the chance
 
To bring in a few points for Vile: Skulduggery is a war veteran that fought in a magic war for probably more than a hundred years.

To copy-paste something about his close combat prowess and basic style: "Skulduggery has also displayed his skills in hand-to-hand combat on multiple occasions, being taught how to box by his friend Ghastly Bespoke. He has held his own and defeated opponents on several occasions with his bare hands such as the White Cleaver, Vindick Leather, Vaurien Scapegrace and several Hollow Men. Skulduggery's style of combat has been noted to be brutally efficient, disregarding finesse for effectiveness. Skulduggery is proficient in punches, kicks, jabs, blocks, throws, counterattacks, choke holds, body locks, counter locks, etc. He is a stationary opponent in physical combat, disregarding athletic and extravagant manoeuvres in a fight and preferring to remain on the ground and in full control of his attacks. "

Lord Vile takes that and combines it with what possibly is the greatest talent for necromancy in history and a cold and cruel obsession with murder and destruction. One can basically assume Vile to be bloodlusted per default. He for example will actively try to crush eyeballs if he gets the chance to.

Vile's skill is enough to fight Kitana, Doran and Sean, three stat wise superior opponents, and win. (Well, at least 1 on 1, as Darquesse was also helping here and there)

He is also known to have killed entire battlefields and beat many of the most powerful mages. The fact that he is considered to be more powerful than a dude that can kill you by pointing at you and a dude that can make you explode just by looking says something.


The power null is a very relevant point. Correct me if I am wrong, but it doesn't sound like it negates things on contact as much as that it can clash with supernatural powers. That is, it wouldn't permanently negate a magical object like Vile's armor nor would it ignore supernatural barriers.

That would mean it is less of a game changer than it might sound like at first.

Maybe the most interesting question is if it can cancel some intangible field like the Death Bubble.


Space bending sword is a problem if it negates durability. However due to being a skeleton and even the head not being essential Vile can take a lot of punishment. The fact that he can simply use shadows to pull his bones back together means a lot of bone breaking is necessary before he is finished. Since he basically can do everything with shadows alone destroying parts of him wouldn't even greatly affect his battle capacity.

To that comes that hurting him with normal attacks is hard. He is covered by his shadow armor and additional shadow defenses are automatically created against attacks. Said defenses are actually quite possibly created faster than Vile's own reactions.

Vile, like Skulduggery, will use any dirty trick available. IIRC he has used clouds of darkness to restrict the opponents vision before. He can and has used shadows to prevent the opponent from breathing.

Another advantage is that Vile can fly. He already controls the fighting distance due to teleportation, but due to flight he also gains the advantage of 3D movement. From the looks of the scans Anne is prone to jumping, which is bad if the opponent can control its mid-air movement but you can't. Vile should also have no problem staying out of the space swords range due to this. Vile can create and control spears of darkness, or other weapons and tool like for example rope, and use multiple at once to launching many attacks at the same time and spam attacks.

Lastly, Vile can retaliate against arrow spam by either shadow walking or using a wave of darkness.
 
Also about the power nullification.

Vile was able to resist Darqesse taking control of his armour and pulling it away from him for a time, so he probably resists nullification.

The armour is also made of shadows somehow so it would apply to his actual attacks as well.
 
That isn't really power null, that's just body puppetry.
 
She was taking control of his magic, pulling it away from him and not letting him use it. And the armour melts into shadows and returns to him if you try to take it away so it wasn't just like she was taking away physical armour. I can get the quote for you in a bit
 
I was under the impression that Lord Vile's armour was a physical thing. Isn't Baron Vengous able to physically interact with it, picking it up and putting it on in Playing with Fire?

Plus, don't all Necromancers have to put their power into a physical object, Valkryie has her ring, Wreath has his cane, Vile has his armour? I know that Melincholia was an exception, but she had her power augmented by sigils, which is probably by she doesn't need an object to contain her power.
 
When used by Vengeous it's an armor, but Skulduggery/Vile can shapeshift it into liquid shadow for usage. Darquesse also does this when pulling away the armor from Vile by turning it into a ball of shadow.

Melancholia had her Surge (Magical puberty magic boost that locks one into a type of magic) be continuously looped by sigils, which is why her power waxes and wanes and why she doesn't need an object.
 
Valkyrie stumbled to the doorway in time to see Skulduggery reaching for the case, but Sean picked it up, held it tight to his chest. "You want this? What's in it? It's probably important, isn't it? I'll let you have it if you beg. Go on, skeleton. Start begging." Black liquid dripped from the case, forming a little puddle at Sean's feet. The dripping quickened, and liquid began to leak from the other end, flowing steadily now, like the case was filled with oil. Sean noticed, and adjusted his hold, and the case sprang open and a wave of black burst forth, splashing down on to Skulduggery, covering him from head to foot, wrapping round him, getting thicker, forming armour. And slowly, Lord Vile looked up.


Also


She studied Vile's armour, saw how it moved. She looked closer, deeper, saw how Necromancy inhabited it. The armour was a living thing, though not a living thing with any degree of sentience. Magic lived in it, and magic was alive, and so the very nature of the armour was transformed as a result. She saw it and understood it, and once she was ready, she focused her mind and called to it. Vile inclined his head, and stopped tapping his leg. She called again, more forcefully this time, and the armour reacted, straining against Vile's command. Black droplets of shadow splashed to the ground and Vile struggled, the armour turning solid again, solid and sharp. Darquesse ducked a swipe at her throat. She moved in but he was fast, grabbing her and twisting and smashing her head through the wall. He pulled her on to his hip and flipped her. The world tilted and the floor spun into her face. She started to laugh as Vile knelt on her back. This was fun. She threw him back with a simple pulse of energy and she called to his armour and it flowed to her hand, collecting into a spinning ball of shadow and substance. The last of it dripped from Skulduggery and he fell sideways, barely managing to support himself against the wall.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
The armour was a living thing, though not a living thing with any degree of sentience. Magic lived in it, and magic was alive, and so the very nature of the armour was transformed as a result.
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Ah. So it was once a physical object, but the vast amounts of magic Vile stored in it changed the nature of the armour till it is what it is now. That makes sense
 
DontTalk brings up a lot of good points for Vile, and looking at his profile I'm pretty certain Anne's spatial abilities shouldn't be anything surprising for someone so experienced with magic-based users, especially tunneling magic is already a thing in the verse.

Do we have any solid votes for either side? IDK if DontTalk was just putting forward arguments or if that was a solid vote for Vile.
 
I'm holding my vote for now. DontTalk does put forward good enough points to make me withdraw my vote for Anne, but I want to wait for First Witch to counterargue before making solid votes.
 
Alright lets see, there is much to adress here.

Regarding Skuls skill:

While thats pretty impressive (And badass lol) i will say that getting into a direct close quarter fight with Anne will get him killed pretty fast. Anne was trained by one of the most vicious and gruesome in the entire universe, both in swordmanship and hand to hand combat. The Pray Style all revolves around breaking your opponent, disarming him and destroy his weapons, or just straight up murdering him in a single hit if the opponent not skilled enough. Anne could wipe out an entire group of armed Knights unarmed. Everyone of them is more skilled and experienced than Knight trainees, who are only chosen as a Knight trainee if they fulfill this:

Knight Skill 1


One could bring up the "They are fodder" argument, witch i already debunked above, but even then, Anne did the same with 5 Master Knights. And those guys are on a even higher level than seasoned Knights, they earn that title by accomplishing great feats on the battlefield. One of those Master Knights was a fellow Knight of the Veelches war. He knew Annes ability and how strong she was. They were all armed too, that didnt stop Anne from stomping them effortlessly. Again, unarmed.

Another thing that i have to add is that Anne is >>> Cold heroes. Knights who are so strong, experienced and skilled that they are deemed far too valuable by the Knight Order, freezing them and only thawing them in the most direst of situation. Those Cold heroes called Anne a "monster" and struggled against Prays AG's, who are all <<< Pray herself. The gape between Anne and every other Knight sans Pray was gigantic. Dry, the second strongest Knight after Anne barely managed to kill Fear, who only managed to come close to Prays prime. He was, despite having an entire army of cold heroes, not ready to face Pray and had to rely on Anne, as she was the only one who had a realistic chance of winning against Pray. Dry by the way only managed to win against Fear by having a broken precog, that allowed him to force a outcome he desired onto reality. THIS was not enough to allow him to face Pray, forcing him to rely on Anne.

I will add more later on, i have not much time right now.
 
Part 2

Anne's Powernull:

Nope, Wave techniques are outright called "Power cancelation". All wave attacks are carrying that property, from normal sword strikes embued with Waves to lasers that nuke entire building or slices through multiple city blocks.

If it can neg intangible stuff like the death bubble or not i dont know. It can neg lightning and blood manipulation or the physic breaking properties of Phenomenon weapons, but its not that much expandend on sadly.

Annes fighting style:

Anne is a extremly dirty fighter herself. In her afromentioned fight against the 5 Master Knights, she consistently aimed at the weak spot of her Veelches War comrade, nearly disabling him. And only because she had no intentions of killing them. In her fight against Pray Anne sacrificed her entire arm, just to blind Pray with her own blood. Anne has no concept of honor and stuff and the entire Pray Style philosophy is winning with all means necessary, even if it means to sacrifice your body for it. Anne finishes nearly all her battles in a single hit. The battles she coudnt finish in a single hit were against opponents far stronger than her. One example of such an opponent were the Cross Eyes, who were stated to dwarf Anne in strength, skill and experience. Anne, together with Pray, won that duel in the end.

Now coming to Human Age:

Human Age, after activation, allows Anne to summon an near infinite copys of all AB swords that existed. She could spam thousands of Soul Arrows that automatically aim at Vile, she could throw gigantic Morglay Swords at Vile, that can be used as shields and platforms, Arondight can throw back any energy based attacks, even darkness, boosting said reflected attack in speed and power multiplicated, 54 times was the highest shown multiplicator. Or throw small blades Senbonzakura style at Vile, from 3, 4, 5 different sources. All those weapons passivly neggs barriers by simply being near them.

And yes, Green Ring ignored Durability, thats something i should prolly add to the profile lol.
 
The part on Vile having possible resistant to power nullification didn't read like power nullification to me. Trying to take a magical object doesn't mean that she's negating someone's magic. Only that she's wrestling control of it. Similar to two people fighting for a gun. And she actually managed to take the armor as well.

With what FirstWitch has provided, unless Vile has skill feats unlisted here, I think Anne should take skill by an rather wide margin. Those skill feats are extremely impressive. Especially considering that even the "fodder" trainees have to be prodigies from various worlds it seems just to even be chosen. Showing that her skill far surpasses worldly natural talent.

I guess the questions are, how often does Vile use flight and teleportation? And even with the teleportation, Anne is plenty skilled enough to make plausible predictions on where he will be, and attack accordingly. So I'd argue that flight is more the issue here, not teleportation.

Regardless, I don't really see a reason why Anne's power nullification wouldn't work on Vile's armor or even his shadows. Shadows lack physical form just like lightning lacks a physical form. It seems like it would hold effective here.

So for now, I'll side with Anne for now due to pretty massive skill advantage and her AoE power nullification. Her martial art is around breaking the body it seems, and she has multiple weapons she can call at will as well, further limiting teleportation's use.
 
This is actually a really great fight. That being said, I'll vote Anne FRA as well, due to the points made by First Witch.
 
Litentric Teon said:
I guess the questions are, how often does Vile use flight and teleportation?
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Spams his teleport in character, flight less so, I only remember it being used in Death Bringer
 
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