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(Grace) Broly Saga Goku vs Broly Saga Vegeta
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Goku is the superior martial artist, has access to better hax (Instant Transmission) and is depicted/referred to as closer to the level of the gods than Vegeta (whether this is power-wise or due to Goku reaching Ultra Instinct is up to the person),
I honestly don't see how Vegeta is meant to win this.
I honestly don't see how Vegeta is meant to win this.
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Goku, he is a much better fighter and martial artist and even if we consider them equal, Goku did a way better job fighting Broly despite the power difference than Vegeta.
Also Goku has better abilities, like instant transmission, God Bind, mine field and the Kienzan Hexa Blade
Also Goku has better abilities, like instant transmission, God Bind, mine field and the Kienzan Hexa Blade
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Yep, Goku takes this as always FRA. He's far more skilled and is Likely much stronger than Vegeta.
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This is a draw,they are equal.I would say Vegeta is slightly stronger but still a draw.
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It's the opposite tho.
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I wouldn't say that,SSBE is stronger than Than SSB but still Goku has Kaioken to compensate that power,it drains his stamina though.
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This is their Broly saga versions. Goku did a much better job fighting Ikari Broly in Super Saiyan while Vegeta was easily man handled by the same form in Super Saiyan God. The difference is massive.
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No he didn't,he got he got beaten brutally and couldn't do almost anything.
Also,really?Goku is the main character of course he will get more footage.
Also,really?Goku is the main character of course he will get more footage.
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He lasted more against Broly than Vegeta. Even if you don't want to accept that Goku is that much stronger, the other possible way is that Goku is so skilled that he can handle enemies that stronger than him with skill alone. In an equal terms scenario Goku'd skillstomp Vegeta.
>Goku is vastly stronger than Vegeta
>Goku is vastly more skilled than Vegeta
Pick one.
>Goku is vastly stronger than Vegeta
>Goku is vastly more skilled than Vegeta
Pick one.
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Goku fra
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I pick no one.I already told you,its a draw.They are portrayed to be comparable.
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Whatever, it doesn't change anything.
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Goku FRA,
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Goku for reasons above.
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Grace then.
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This is the same as the post-ToP Goku vs Vegeta thread last year, the only difference being that we have a massive outlier to work with in base Goku being portrayed as superior to SSG Vegeta.
I voted Vegeta last time, I'm doing so now for almost the same reasons. Comparable AP, a likely durability advantage, and stamina being more of an issue with SSBKKx20 vs SSBE.
IT/IM isn't an issue, it's obvious when Goku is about to use it and Vegeta knows how Goku fights on a deeper level than anyone sans Goku himself.
So yeah, the Prince of All Saiyans takes it high-diff.
Goku hitting UI is an extremely dubious assumption, he's only ever shown it in the ToP in extraordinary circumstances and even then only after getting stomped or one-shot into base (ok, not one-shot but you know what I was intending to express).
I voted Vegeta last time, I'm doing so now for almost the same reasons. Comparable AP, a likely durability advantage, and stamina being more of an issue with SSBKKx20 vs SSBE.
IT/IM isn't an issue, it's obvious when Goku is about to use it and Vegeta knows how Goku fights on a deeper level than anyone sans Goku himself.
So yeah, the Prince of All Saiyans takes it high-diff.
Goku hitting UI is an extremely dubious assumption, he's only ever shown it in the ToP in extraordinary circumstances and even then only after getting stomped or one-shot into base (ok, not one-shot but you know what I was intending to express).
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"I voted Vegeta last time, I'm doing so now for almost the same reasons. Comparable AP, a likely durability advantage, and stamina being more of an issue with SSBKKx20 vs SSBE."
SSBKKx20 never had a stamina issue in the ToP. Goku readily, easily, and consistently kept it on when he needed it. The only real downside is that he has to turn it on and off unlike a full-on transformation, but the very fact that Goku as a SSBKKx20 lasted as long as Vegeta, arguably longer, means that stamina isn't an issue here.
We also have many statements, guide statements,and are visibly shown that Goku has surpassed Vegeta for a long while now and that Vegeta is desparately trying to catch up to Goku. Also Durability Advantage? wot?
"IT/IM isn't an issue, it's obvious when Goku is about to use it and Vegeta knows how Goku fights on a deeper level than anyone sans Goku himself."
... Again, What?
Instant Transmission > No Instant Transmission. Literally as simple as that, regardless of whether or not Vegeta knows how to counter or not. Goku is simply more versatile with it, hence giving him the advantage. Also not really, Vegeta never really understood why Goku was always above him all the time and even when he thought they were on equal footing, each and every time Goku pulled something out of his arse to elevate himself once again.
SSBKKx20 never had a stamina issue in the ToP. Goku readily, easily, and consistently kept it on when he needed it. The only real downside is that he has to turn it on and off unlike a full-on transformation, but the very fact that Goku as a SSBKKx20 lasted as long as Vegeta, arguably longer, means that stamina isn't an issue here.
We also have many statements, guide statements,and are visibly shown that Goku has surpassed Vegeta for a long while now and that Vegeta is desparately trying to catch up to Goku. Also Durability Advantage? wot?
"IT/IM isn't an issue, it's obvious when Goku is about to use it and Vegeta knows how Goku fights on a deeper level than anyone sans Goku himself."
... Again, What?
Instant Transmission > No Instant Transmission. Literally as simple as that, regardless of whether or not Vegeta knows how to counter or not. Goku is simply more versatile with it, hence giving him the advantage. Also not really, Vegeta never really understood why Goku was always above him all the time and even when he thought they were on equal footing, each and every time Goku pulled something out of his arse to elevate himself once again.
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Ridiculous. Everyone voted for Vegeta back when it was SSBE Vegeta vs. SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-Kefla) despite all the stuff Goku has now he had back then (like instant transmission that everyone keeps bringing up). It's why I don't like in-universe vs matches here, they always go off hype and SSBE Veggie clearly had the hype back then, but now because "Goku did better against Broly than Vegeta" and has the hype everyone wants to vote for him (btw. keep in mind Goku interrupted their fight thus not even giving Veggie a chance to use his full power)
To that end, while it won't matter anyway, I vote inconclusive.
To that end, while it won't matter anyway, I vote inconclusive.
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Except that back then, Everyone though that Vegeta had an AP and durability advantage (and a stamina advantage at first but it got dismiss in the thread itself), now we have official statement making clear that SSJBE Vegeta doesn't have an AP / Durability advantage on SSJBKK Goku and a new feat for Goku, that can be interpreted as either a skill feat or a power feat but either way give a clear advantage to Goku.Sera EX said:
Also Goku didn't have God Bind then.
So it's clearly not the same situation.
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Yall don't need to quote the full comments.
>Vegeta never really understood why Goku was always above him all the time
This is true but it is extremely misleading to imply that this is due to a lack of understanding of Goku's tendencies in combat.
>Durability Advantage
AP is extremely close, arguably equal. The Dura advantage just comes from him tanking his own FE, still standing afterward and quickly recovering.
>even when he thought they were on equal footing, each and every time Goku pulled something out of his arse to elevate himself once again.
This is neither here nor there. Vegeta had to actually surpass Goku prior to said asspull elevation (well, besides when the latter neglected to use SSJ3 in their fight in the Buu Saga). In any case, it's questionable to cite the general progression of the plot over an arc(s) as a reason why one would beat the other in a hypothetical fight occurring at an agreed upon moment in the series.
>Vegeta never really understood why Goku was always above him all the time
This is true but it is extremely misleading to imply that this is due to a lack of understanding of Goku's tendencies in combat.
>Durability Advantage
AP is extremely close, arguably equal. The Dura advantage just comes from him tanking his own FE, still standing afterward and quickly recovering.
>even when he thought they were on equal footing, each and every time Goku pulled something out of his arse to elevate himself once again.
This is neither here nor there. Vegeta had to actually surpass Goku prior to said asspull elevation (well, besides when the latter neglected to use SSJ3 in their fight in the Buu Saga). In any case, it's questionable to cite the general progression of the plot over an arc(s) as a reason why one would beat the other in a hypothetical fight occurring at an agreed upon moment in the series.
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What you're saying sounds reasonable but the in-series explanation by Piccolo, who as was there for the first FE, was that it was due to 'how much stronger' he had gotten. If you can give me a source explicating the difference between the two events along those lines, I'll happily concede.
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The explaination is 'he got stronger' because by being stronger, he can emit more energy and has more energy in reserve, meaning he didn't use everything he had (meaning he didn't have to use his life force), he just used a lot.Endless Astrograph Sorcerer said:
That and being stronger usualy make your body much more resistant to that kind of stress in dragon ball, like Goku with the kaioken.
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