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Grandmother Raven v.s Khorne (Great match here I guess...) 9-1

The problem with Raven, is that she is straight 2-B. The people she can challenge, and those who would give her a challenge have higher-dimensional abilities. Raven probably has Higher dimensional immortality based on The Creator who, by the next arc will probably become 5-D, but for now she doesn't. Isn't Khorne 1-A immortality due to the warp?
 
Zenkaibattery1 said:
Isn't Khorne 1-A immortality due to the warp?
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2-B Khorne is from Warhammer Fantasy which is an entirely different canon than 40K


...They're just on the same profile because... well, laziness.
 
I don't think AoS has that

Does Khorne's unfair work on comparable beings?
 
What is unfair? And what is the AP difference? Ever second that passes in Wizard101, a new past is created as it falls into the sands of time. Every time The Player came back, the Narrator (Ironically GR) said "The dunes stretched out even more endlessly than before) and this was said like 4 times + Bartleby saying there was countless worlds (long before the sands) She's countless on top of countless on top of countless on top of countless.
 
@Zach @Edward

Kinda seems like a stomp for Khorne then. Raven can't do anything to higher-dimensional stuff lol (For now)
 
2-B khorne is probably the same entity as tier 1 khorne, but we don't assume any connection as of now.

That being said, trying to fight fighting itself only continually empowers Khorne. Let me see about digging up the 2-B AP justification for fantasy.
 
for khornes ap. The warp is a realm above a 2B realm consiting of every afterlife consisting of people across 7 universes.A tiny portion of Nurgles domain is 2B and all the others gods domain are 2B as well.Khorne mere footsteeps can shack the warp which consits of several 2B domains which is above a 2B realm
 
If he doesn't then here's how I see the battle going. I'll go over Khrones abilities

First it's important to know, Raven has fought a "Chaos God" per say before (Spider embodies the chaos that makes up the wizard101 multiverse), so the way she acts in this battle will pretty much be the same as when she fought Spider. She's pretty perspective, and could tell everything The Player and practically any one in the verse, even those comparable to her wanted to do even before conflcits between her and them happened, so she'll probably be in the same mindset she was during the fight with Spider and the destruction of the First world

Ap difference?: Not sure. Raven should be a few countless above countless, considering everytime The Player came back to the dunes, the narrator said the sands of times were even more "endless" than before.

Khorne existing outside the general laws of physics is irrelevant- The sprial itself doesn't work on the laws of physics and in relation to general laws of physics, they can be consdered without law; don't follow general laws of physics as well. The Law manipulation and laws of physics these characters function by is the laws of magic. She can manipulate general laws of physics, but that's not her go to. She can practically set the laws of magic to her favor and reshape laws across existence to her will. If she wanted, she could force Khrone to follow laws that she sets

His nonexistent stuff is pretty meh- Even The Player could slap a void of non-existence, even wall characters probably can tbh in the verse- It's what you have to do to advance in shadow magic.

Power Null of more abstract magic- Spider could do this too, Raven lolnoped it, and reversed it back at him. In fact, it made him a High 4-C being, one even Adult Morganthe could defeat. Note: Her power nullification isn't from Magic, it's from her own being.

Resistance to Magic- Everyone from Malistare the undying onwards is "Immune" to magic in the game, but The Player still slapped him, and this is before he even got shadow magic, which has a specific sentiant being The Player can shapeshift into, who's core purpose is to cut through resistances and even immunaties. Immunaity and heavy resistance in the game is meaningless, that millions of people stopped playing the game because of it, because resistance and defensive strategy has pretty much dead. + Shadow Magic can bypass resistances to magic. That's it's core purpose.

They both have power type 2 concept manipulation, and they are both abstract beings, I'm not sure how many concepts Khrone embodies, but Raven embodies two across the wiz multiverse.

Also to mention, Grandfather Spider's purpose of existing was to act as someone she could never defeat. He was the perfect counterbalance to her, with his Chaos and Shadow being able to match and cancel out her light and order. He was supposed to be immune to everything she could do and more, yet she found a way to slap him and still sealed him away.

The issue however is that Raven was hesistant to stop Spider. But that was because she loved him so much and grew attached to him. That love doesn't exist for Khorne. I'm pretty sure if she wanted to, she could kill him, or more likely she would seal him away. To me this seems like Spider vs Raven all over again, but in place of Spider, it's khorne

I'll give it to Raven. She does the same thing she did to Spider
 
But has Raven sealed an omnipresent concept?

AP I will get back to in a bit. Gotta find the explanatiosn that were already typed.

Khorne's resistances are on the level of the other Chaos Gods, and that last one there literally is magic. Tzeentch doesn't embody magic, magic is one of the concepts making up Tzeentch. Sure Raven can rewrite the laws of magic, but being unaffected by the magic of magic as a collective seems more impressive.

Khorne's power null also scales to the other CGs.

Has the player demonstrated feats on Tzeentch's level?

Khorne is several. Off the top of my head, fighting, martial pride, rage, strength, honor all are parts of what make up Khorne. To draw upon any of these is to empower Khorne.

That just means he wasn't as good as his hype.
 
Spider's Shadow Magic is a sentiant conceptual omnipresent "being" that forms the multiverse, and yes, she locked that away.

okk

I don't know how bringing a higher being into this is even fair tbh. Once again, other gods in the verse are immune with heaty resistances as well. I think affecting beings whose sole purpose for existing is to counterbalance and to stop you via their will, and still being able to affect them is even more impressive

I don't see how that counters any of what I said? Please elaborate. There's a multidude of other's that Raven scales to as well, and once again, she lolnoped it, even though the person doing it to her was supposed to be immune to it.

I don't see how that is relevant?

Coolio.

Doesn't make any sense but ok

Literally 90% of what you said doesn't counter any of my previous points nor does it stop Raven from winning
 
Found Matt's quote

'It's coming,' Tegrus said, his voice almost shrill.
He thrashed, as if trying to free himself from the clutches of something only he could see. A moment later, a dull boom echoed up out of the cistern and washed over them. Gardus felt his heart pause in its rhythm, and gasped, clutching his chest. Nauseated, he saw several Stormcast fall to their knees, retching. The daemons had stopped their advance and fallen silent, seemingly expectant. Another boom, like the collision of distant stars. Gardus tasted blood. He'd bitten his tongue. Tallon shrieked loud and long, every feather on the gryphhound's neck stiff and flared in fear.
'What is that?' he asked, already knowing the answer.
'The Lord of Flies himself,' Morbus said. The Lord-Relictor strode past them towards the edge of the cistern. Gardus rose quickly and followed him, after waving the others back. They knew enough to hold their positions, unless otherwise ordered. Through the ragged shroud of smoke, Gardus saw what lay below the Inevitable Citadel, at the heart of Nurgle's garden. Almost immediately, he closed his eyes and turned away, unable to bear it.
It was impossible to describe. Impossible to comprehend. To his eyes, it was a wallowing swamp of black stars and dying worlds, of rotting galaxies alive with immense, writhing shapes as large as nebulas. Cosmic maggots, gnawing at the roots of infinity. Galactic plagues, eating away at the very flesh of existence, reducing all that was to leprous ruin in their unending hunger. It was a dark mirror of Azyr, corrupted, reduced, strangled. All glory vanished, all hope quashed. A thunder of screams echoed upwards, driving him back. A million million voices, raised up in anguish and despair. Forever crying out for that which would never come.
Again, the world shook. The reverberations were the death knell of the worlds below, Gardus knew, though he could not say how. Worlds claimed by Nurgle, realms older than Azyr or Ghyran, now broken and ground into filth. He felt sick. He wanted to see the clean stars of Azyr once more, even if it meant enduring the Reforging. But still the voices cried out, crying for aid, for him.
Garradan… help us… It hurts… why does it hurt… Everything is burning… help us… Garradan… Garradan… Help us…
The voices assailed him from every side, filling his head, squeezing his heart. He staggered, and felt Morbus' hand steadying him. Another tolling of the death knell.
Down below, something began to crawl out of the black heart of that cancerous infinity. It was no shape, and all shapes. Fat and thin, a plume of smoke, a puddle of oil, spreading ever upwards. There were eyes in the smoke, as round as cold, dead suns, and teeth that stretched in a grin as wide as the horizon. Fingers like comets clutched at the void, as the Lord of All Things stirred from his manse, and began the long, arduous climb to his garden. Moons crumbled beneath that impossible bulk, and stars were snuffed out.
'He is coming,' Morbus said, hollowly.
'An honour, of sorts.' Gardus closed his eyes. 'He is coming for me. I escaped once before. I should not have. My fate was written the day I stepped through the Gates of Dawn.'
Gardus stepped away from the edge of the cistern. He did not wish to see the swamp of dead universes swirling below, or the thing rising from within them. The thing that had been trying to claim his soul since before the burning of Demesnus Harbour, in one way or another. He looked up, and saw the others approaching.
'Stay back,' he roared. He looked at Morbus. 'Keep them back. Keep them from seeing that, if you can.'
'Soon that will not be an option.'
Gardus shook his head. The ground trembled beneath his feet. It felt as if the garden were set to tear itself apart. Perhaps Nurgle had grown bored, and had decided to reshape it all again. 'Much is demanded―' he said.
'―of those to whom much is given,' Morbus said.
'Lead them to glory, Morbus,' Gardus said softly. 'Temper them, as I might have. Be the light that guides them.' He took a breath and stepped to the edge of the cistern. His hands tightened on his weapons. He wanted to run. To leave this place. To see the stars again. But the voices cried out, and he could not turn away from such pain. He would not. Whatever the cost.
 
Zenkaibattery1 said:
Spider's Shadow Magic is a sentiant conceptual omnipresent "being" that forms the multiverse, and yes, she locked that away.
okk

I don't know how bringing a higher being into this is even fair tbh. Once again, other gods in the verse are immune with heaty resistances as well. I think affecting beings whose sole purpose for existing is to counterbalance and to stop you via their will, and still being able to affect them is even more impressive

I don't see how that counters any of what I said? Please elaborate. There's a multidude of other's that Raven scales to as well, and once again, she lolnoped it, even though the person doing it to her was supposed to be immune to it.

I don't see how that is relevant?

Coolio.

Doesn't make any sense but ok

Literally 90% of what you said doesn't counter any of my previous points nor does it stop Raven from winning
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^ This

+ So it's that vs "endless" on top of "endless" on top of "endless" on top of "endless" on top of Bartleby saying "Countless" (This was before the sands of time were a thing)
 
So basically, Nurgle's swamp contains an incomprehensibly high number of dead universes, seemingly approaching infinity. Nurgle's swamp is only a small portion of its own domain. Add onto that the fact that the other CGs (Khorne, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Malice, The Great Horned Rat) all have domains similar in size to Nurgle. Past that, a significant amount of the warp (I believe it's actually a majority, but don't take this specific thing too literally as of now) isn't under the hegemony of a single god and is just unaffiliated chaos, you end up with the Warp being massive. Khorne's mere footfalls are said to shake all this to its very core.

However, it gets even more ridiculous. The warp exists parallel to the Mortal Realms defended by Sigmar. Don't remember sizewise exactly how they compare, but the Mortal Realms shouldn't be unfathomably smaller. Khorne was stated to have the capacity to just one shot all of existence, meaning mortal realms + warp if it so desired.

There's a reason that they were the top dogs of 2-B AP pre DBH.
 
i already explained khrones ap but yeah that is how up the 2B scale khorne is.Even beings far above khorne can`t defeat khorne
 
Gonna get back to the other stuff in a bit, going through all the open matchups I'm in rn
 
Eleonore1488 said:
Isn't Khorne beat the strongest 2-B Arceus?
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That was the past, New 2-B characters are showing up now and some of the are stronger than Arceus.
 
That was the past, New 2-B characters are showing up now and some of the are stronger than Arceus.

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Wokistan said:
2-B khorne is probably the same entity as tier 1 khorne, but we don't assume any connection as of now.
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I really kinda hate how this was suggested to be the case, because for our purposes, it makes everything more confusing.
 
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