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8-C Haxless Bracket Round 4: Kihara Kagun vs Insomniac's Spider-Man

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So, is there anything stopping Spider-Man from webbing him to a wall, or sticking a trap on him? Cause that's pretty in character for him to do.
 
The landmine strapped to his chest could free him once. After that he could probably cut himself free with Whitting.

I think Kagun can likely lure Spiderman into close combat, given that Spiderman should to attempt killing him in SBA, so he might have a good chance there.


Definitely one of the more difficult opponents for Kagun, though.
 
Spider-Sense let's him dodge the landmine with ease in close quarters, or he could just yank it off with webbing assuming his lenses would let him see it (I'd imagine it's covered by something). Is the landmine a one off or no?
 
The landmine is a one off, but it has an advantage of being a lethal injury for Kagun, meaning he gets Whitting going / amplifies it when using it.
 
Cool. Spidey dodges the landmine, realizes he can't hurt him and webs him to a wall, which he can't break out of thanks to inferior lifting strength.
 
Uh...yeah unless proven otherwise I think I'd give it to Spiderman for those reasons.
 
He can cut the string with a sword? He doesn't exactly has a reason to let his arms get tied or anything and is a capable enough fighter to control where he is hit with stuff. He even specializes into making the opponents hits lethal, so he has the control necessary to not just get tied up.

Also, "realizes he can't hurt him" is something I would question. For one thing, because for that he would at least have to first try some full power attacks against him, so that takes time, and for the other because it isn't exactly obvious that you can not hurt someone, just because he could take a few attacks. Especially with Whitting, where Kagun would recieve minor damage mid battle.


And aren't Peter's strings building level? Unless he holds back, those would be lethal attacks as well.
 
Web bomb. Or Peter just yanks the sword out of his hands with his webs.

If that's the case, Peter could knock him out.

He webs up regular humans all the time. They aren't attacks, they just restrain you and he can't hold back sense it's a gadget and not a power he can control the output of.
 
Whitting isn't a physical sword, it's a laser sword that extends from his middle and index finger. Preventing two fingers from being incapacitated is rather easy even against AoE web (btw. the web bomb isn't mentioned Parker's profile).


Peter can knock him out, but he won't because he doesn't know that it's the requirement and believes he is facing an opponent strong enough to tank strong attacks.

Peter's webs are always just 10-B?


That aside, it is very likely for Parker to try to go close combat at some point, he isn't someone that fights constantly ranged as far as I know. When that happens Kagun just has to give him the death poke.
 
Fair enough.

SBA or not, it's in character for Peter to try and knock him out. His mentality doesn't magically switch to "MURDER, KILL, DIE".

They aren't attacks, they don't have a tier. Saying they do is like saying bolas or handcuffs have one. They're are an incapacitation tool that have never physically hurt anyone. (Except electric webs)

Spider Sense plus extreme amounts of skill combined with 8 years of experience. Good luck hitting him with it.
 
In that case, Spidey doesn't have one-hit KO. He's still more likely to knock Kihara out before he gets the insta kill off thanks to Spider-Sense and just how flat out difficult he is to hit.
 
Equalized speed does not mean that Kagun could easily avoid some webs? And if the webs do not work, I think that Peter's next step is undoubtedly a physical fight, which will activate Whitting, and still having Landmine for a surprise attack, I can see Kagun win, even the spider sense would not be a factor forever.
 
XDragnoir said:
Equalized speed does not mean that Kagun could easily avoid some webs? And if the webs do not work, I think that Peter's next step is undoubtedly a physical fight, which will activate Whitting, and still having Landmine for a surprise attack, I can see Kagun win, even the spider sense would not be a factor forever.
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Speed Equalized is going to give Peter the edge, Spider-Sense, Experience, and Skill means he's effectively never getting hit by the instant kill. Not to mention, the instant kill is pretty much the only way Kihara can win given the strength difference.
 
Also Peter is going to be a lot better at setting up surprise attacks, thanks to webs traps and stealth mastery. Landmine is a one off that Peter can easily avoid, but that doesn't go the other way and you haven't explained how Kihara gets past Spider-Sense at all.
 
does kagun have acces to flight ? he is a magician after all but he comes form the science side too
 
Malox1696 said:
does kagun have acces to flight ? he is a magician after all but he comes form the science side too
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I'm not seeing flight on his profile, so no. Which reminds me that Peter could totally uppercut him into the air and go ham on him while he's defenseless.
 
it's in the comom ability of the universe page togher with anti flight and curse reflection, kagun should know it as he is a magician, but i dont' remember if the author specified that he only learned 1 spell
 
Malox1696 said:
it's in the comom ability of the universe page togher with anti flight and curse reflection, kagun should know it as he is a magician, but i dont' remember if the author specified that he only learned 1 spell
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It's not on his profile, so he doesn't have it.
 
Spiderman has the clear mobility advantage, but I am gonna go with Kihara. Spiderman is only in his normal suit so he is missing his OHKO move. Thus, Kihara struggles to land hits but continues to get stronger and stronger until he successfully lands a hit and one shots either through stats or poking. For these reasons, I vote for Kihara
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Spiderman has the clear mobility advantage, but I am gonna go with Kihara. Spiderman is only in his normal suit so he is missing his OHKO move. Thus, Kihara struggles to land hits but continues to get stronger and stronger until he successfully lands a hit and one shots either through stats or poking. For these reasons, I vote for Kihara
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Or Peter knocks him out, which is in character SBA or not.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
He doesn't have the AP advantage to pull it off reliably
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Building level vs building level+? Besides, you don't need a big AP advantage to knock someone out. Batman knocks Bane out all the time and Bane is a good deal stronger. And again, skill and experience advantange.
 
The Wright Way said:
It's not on his profile, so he doesn't have it.
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ok dude i will repeat once again IT'S ON THE UNIVERSE PROFILE, instead of adding flight, anti flight and curse reflection to each magician of the verse we just wrote it on common ability section of the universe page
 
ok dude i will repeat once again IT'S ON THE UNIVERSE PROFILE, instead of adding flight, anti flight and curse reflection to each magician of the verse we just wrote it on common ability section of the universe page

It's not on his profile. Make a CRT to get it added or it's not a thing.
 
Well, the basic spells are some generalized basic capabilities for mages, but it's not like we are specifically told that every mage has them.

We could possibly go to every magicians page and list them as "possibly/likely 1,2,3,4", but it would just be a possibly and lots of copy&paste. As far as I am concerned it's up to anyone to decide if they want to buy the generalization for Kagun or not.

Maybe we could make a verse specific p&a page to list them on the pages... I will debate that.
 
that's why i asked, did kagun focus everything he studied on Whitting ? i do rember the author saying something about that
 
If it's not on the page and only a possibility than we aren't using it. Get it added to his profile.

This is a problem for a few verses now that I think about it. I'll have to make a CRT on that.
 
Kaltias said:
That's... really not what you are supposed to do.
If they have an ability it goes on the profile
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That's not always the case. There are a bunch of implied abilities for stand users that aren't listed cuz they come with the tool set
 
Considering that it's considered common knowledge for magician (u can't skip addition if u study math), and they don't have to use it cause they are not that stupid (death by flight or getting their own curse reflected)

the special case may be kagun that's why i asked cause he was from the science side and may or may not have that basic knowledge

in the first place a lot of character that have flight in universe don't have it listed on the profile cause it's one the universe page
 
That's not always the case. There are a bunch of implied abilities for stand users that aren't listed cuz they come with the tool set

They really should be though, especially in the case of people who are unfamiliar with the verse.
 
@Iap

That just means that the stand users need to be updated as well.

If my profile says "superhuman physical characteristics" you can't say "he also has fire manip" without a CRT to add it
 
The Wright Way said:
They really should be though, especially in the case of people who are unfamiliar with the verse.
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Writing "This stand has stand properties" on every profile is superfluous. Its like writing that ghosts have non-physical interaction
 
Writing "This stand has stand properties" on every profile is superfluous. Its like writing that ghosts have non-physical interaction

Everyone knows ghosts can do that. People unfamiliar with JoJo won't even know what a stabd user is, so the powers should be spelt out.
 
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