• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

kakashi downgrade

Status
Not open for further replies.
Lorenzo.r.2nd

Lorenzo.r.2nd

2,711
161
It has come to my attention that hokage kakashi (naruto verse) is rated as high as his 4th war self, because of the fact that he has been compared to the other current hokage. Now, IF that were to be true, the current hokage really dont seem to compare to the hokage of old, whom kakashi in the 4th war (when he was at his strongest, expect for the temporary power he recieved from obito, which means he should much stronger than his current self) was portrayed as weaker than.


Going back to the statement- is it really that reliable? We have had one too many false 'kage' based statements (minato being the strongest, hiruzen being the strongest, hiruzen knowing all jutsu that konoha's people have ever known, minato being the fastest ninja ever even tho he technically teleports, etc), as well as genin actually comparing the tsuchikage and mizukage to naruto himself.
 
Although present kakashi will have't Sharingan's obito But after end of the war He develop strength more himself. Been he can use Purple Lightning.

kakashi Should be comparable to mei

And should rate him Because can be easily cut Nue's tail
 
I am not really sure what you are trying to disprove with those comments down below. We've never really seen Hiruzen at his prime which is what everyone uses for comparison and he has shown using the 5 elements easily in the war, so his repertoire is vast at the least. Minato was still pretty darn fast and his reactions, obvious by reacting to A and Obito for a counterattack, is pretty high in the list. Plus, there's rumors and wild statements thrown around, those have always been a thing.

Finally, actually use something of actual weight while putting Kakashi's ability into doubt.
 
I partially agree with the thread, since it is said that Kakashi lost all his jutsus copied with the Sharingan by not possessing it anymore. But it also has the fact that he has a lot of chakra to use and developed a jutsu as powerful as the Raikiri. In addition, Kakashi must scale to the Jonins as Lee, since both fought and Kakashi without Sharingan can identify who was fighting only by its method of fight, since the place was dark. In short, Kakashi may have lost the Sharingan, but remains in the same Tier by powerscaling with characters of the same tier in which Kakashi is superior, just changing the justification
 
For one, I dont want to downgrade him a lot. His current tier is at least 7A for absolutely no reason, since I don't think even the people he supposedly scales to are that high. I totally think we could put him at possibly 7a or just 7a,but he should by no means stronger than his war self who was matching obito, naruto, guy etc. Do u guys really think this older Kakashi with no sharingan whatsoever could match that? It's seems pretty ridiculous TBH. Not even the people he scales to (the current Kage) scale that high.
 
Why would he be weaker when the only thing he lost is hax, precog and stamina sink?

It's not like the eye powers his attacks or something.
 
You should ask Kepekley23 and Burning Full Fingers to comment here.
 
Ant, Kep always seems busy, so it's hard to get to him, but I'll try to get full fingers. Calaca, he shouldn't scale above Lee. For one, Lee is scaled from guy, whom he is stated to be stronger than, who is in turn stronger than Kakashi. Lee also scales to gaara who is quite above the other kage sides for naruto. And it makes no sense for an older Kakashi who doesn't seem to train anymore BTW, to have higher stamina than a Kakashi who constantly fighting.
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
Well without the eye he can't do Chidori, he has higher stamina now but I'm pretty sure he is a bit weaker now.
Click to expand...
Except he has Purple Lightning, which has far more versatility and no real lose in power, not to mention being usable like Chidori without the same weakness.
 
No, Lee has his own feat but the profile is outdated. Said feat is 500MT which is 7-A+.
 
Except that it's really not. The chidori can do pretty much everything that it can do, and is probably also stronger. And the chidori doesn't have any weaknesses. The users do.
 
Lorenzo.r.2nd said:
-snip-
Click to expand...
At what point was Guy stronger than Kakashi besides when he's abusing the highest of the Eight Gates?

They were pretty equal when fighting the Second Version chakra cloaked Jinchuriki, with Guy being at Sixth Gate. His whole justification is for cutting the tails of the Second Versions with his Chidori Cable in this same confrontation.

Can you show anything that may imply he's gotten weaker?
 
I thought I did, since he lost both of his most powerful weapons. And it's not like Kakashi can even replicate guy's feats. He scales to him for no reason either imo. I didn't want to get into that cuz the amount of fanboys here is humoungus,but yeah, kakashis is pretty shit compared to guy's ap but he still scales for some reason
 
If the only thing you can actually point out is how many fanboys there are, you better stop right there because you aren't winning yourself any points. Use proof, not demeaning, it drains any credibility you may have.

Losing the sharingan means he loses skills, not pure power, what the heck do you even mean? How does losing the sharingan makes his jutsu weaker? Or his physical stats? And both, do you mean Chidori? What is so hard to comprehend about the fact Purple Lightning is Chidori, except way better in all senses?

>Asks how he compares in AP.

>Forgets link to Kakashi cutting the Second Version Chakra Cloak Tailed Beast Tails.

I hope you are honest to God joking.
 
fair enough. but if u wanna go by that, i guess sakura is 5b cuz she damaged kaguya. and its in the manga, so its legit. do what u gotta do, am i right? OR we could do what im saying and downgrade him. what do u think? hmm? does it seem that ridiculous for me to say that kakashi cant destroy a mountain? like, really?
 
Perfect, compare Sakura pushing Kaguya down, not even really damaging her, to Kakashi being shown fighting on the level of Sixth Gate Guy, cutting the V2 tails of the Jinchuriki and being able to fight them, fighting Rinnegan Obito equally who compares to and could push back Ninetails Chakra Mode Naruto who is already in the 7-A by Sage Mode and this form is much stronger.

Downgrading Wartime Kakashi who has many supportive showings, and Hokage Kakashi without any supporting evidence of him growing weaker since the war? Yes really because your proposal is nonsensical.
 
he really isnt shown fighting on the lvl of guy. guy's attacks were damagin madara's susanoo lol hahaha, and cutting the tails, like i said, would actually make kakashi's chidori stronger than pains/nagato's almighty pull. and rinnegan obito is a normal human like kakashi, they are in the same league. what feat of obito's even puts him at 7a? he also scales for no, since he literally has no attacks to put him, except for scaling, which like said, could just as well put sakura at 5b
 
There is no reason why Kakashi Hokage should be weaker. He continued to do missions and fought with Lee physically and knocked him out. These events happen in Kakashi Hiden
 
the feat u are talking about portrayes lee right right after the war, and not current lee. and kakashi seeing lee's movements is another contradictment since kakashi himself need his sharingan to see rock lee as a kid moving. u wanna tell me that kakashi's normal eyes are now fast enough to see a much, much, much faster rock lee moving? oh and btw, thats from a novel, so im not even sure if thats canon
 
Are you really gonna use that faulty logic? So okay, Obito can battle Naruto, who can obviously dish and take that level of damage. He pretty blatantly fights and matchs him, are you gonna ignore this happens because Obito is not destroying a small city with each attack? Are you also gonna say Eight Gate Might Guy is actually lower in AP than Madara when he never destroyed anything more than him? Or his final kick attack is weaker than his air pressure fists because the destroyed area is smaller?

Yeah, there's no logic here so I don't care about this thread anymore. Have fun getting nowhere.
 
In this your comment lack context. The fight explains that Kakashi knows Lee's Taijutsu standard well, as it is similar to Guy's in which Kakashi is a rival, and even copies and uses some moves. This is the only reason why Kakashi can read Lee's moves. About his comment on Lee from Part 1, no, Kakashi uses the Sharingan to see Lee's chakra circuit and explain to us what they are and how work the 8 Gates.

All novels in the Naruto Hiden series are canon. They follow a timeline that shows all events after the Fourth War.

Cronologia das Novelas
 
Kakashi lost Sharingan (which his hax moves), not his physical prowess or chakra contrary now Sharingan doesn't drain his chakra constantly he can use more chakra for his other techniques.

Also, where is coming that Kakashi lost the techniques he copied with Sharingan?
 
lol dude, wow, u try so damn hard to make my arguements seem, when thats not even what i said lol hahaha. imma explain it in laymens terms than- kakashi CANNOT dish out attacks like those. is that simple enough for u? he doesnt have it in his arsenal. say, why do u think calc staking isnt allowed here? because it inflates results, making seem much higher and out of proportion than it realistictly is. same thing here. kakashi is not madara and might guy. he is not in their league, ap wise. literally, if a ******* genin went and punched him in the face and he got a nosebleed, we would dispatch it as an outlier, but if he did it twice, its normal? even tho kakashi couldve tanked nuke the scene before? really? cuz thats what im getting from u.
 
Kakashi knocks out Lee but bleeds to take a punch from a Genin - where Kakashi surrenders to save some people. This is clearly PIS or Outlier by Genin's part, your comment has no logic
 
@m3 the sharingan cant see inside a person my dude, so thats not what happened with him and lee. @lsir go ahead. u dont seem to understand what im saying anyways. its just getting me tired to be honest. @mindovin yes. him losing the sharingan didnt hinder him physically, but he should by no means be equal to his 4th war self, which is rated too highly in my opinion, but that requires another thread for another time. he wouldve lost, although, most of what he could pull off with his sharingan (physically). he cant even use chidori anymore, much less can he cope with faster opponents, and deal more precise attacks like he could before. im asking for a downgrade as there is literally no proof nor need for him to be there.
 
No... the sharingan can see the flow of chakra in a person, just... not as detailed as the Byakugan.

I am even doubting you saw Naruto at all. Yet I am getting you tired? This is worth cracking a laugh.
 
u have no proof to what u just said but u still wanna play high lol ok fine. find proof, and prove me wrong. its simple right? then do it.
 
I have no reason to prove anything when it happens all through the damn series. The whole explanation of the Byakugan is that it could see the individual chakra pathways unlike the Sharingan, meaning it could see the chakra flow in more detail.

You are the one saying that's not the case. The burden of proof is on you, not the other person.
 
what i said is that it cant see inside people. do u know how to ******* read? dude, ur so irritating. i dont know if u act like this on purpose, or u just dont seem to know to read well, but if its the last ones, please do get better at it. i looked it up to get rid of this once and for all.

"The user can see chakra, giving it colour in order to distinguish it by its composition and source.[19] Though not as capable in this regard as the Byakuga, it can see chakra through some (but not all) obstructions[20] and detect irregularities in a person's chakra flow, such as those caused by genjutsu influence." this is what i found on the naruto wiki that u dont believe in
 
Frankly war arc kakashi and gai are randomly stronger than their part one self's. (looks at his scaling to obito and compares zubuza to it) like the only really good thing he had going was spatial hax (that due it its absolute scarcity in his verse, gave him a one shot ability) in Kamui,, that allowed him to punch way above his weight. (he did the most significant harm to the juubi) it was a convenience never given enough effort to expand upon to really matter.

So he should be the same, minus whatever.
 
So what are the conclusions here?

I still think that somebody should ask Kepekley23 to comment here in any case.
 
Not any conclusions as Lorenzo hasn't provided solid proof of anything, besides doubting the justifications for Kakashi's keys like his War arc Key because he doesn't have destruction feats on the level of someone like Guy, or Naruto, etc.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

NeoKingOfLight
  • Locked
[Naruto] DMS Obito/Kakashi Update.
Replies
13
Views
635
NeoKingOfLight
NeoKingOfLight
Testarossa002
  • Locked
Kakashi CRT
2
Replies
49
Views
3K
UchihaSlayer96
UchihaSlayer96
Testarossa002
  • Locked
Black Panther and co Revision
Replies
23
Views
1K
KingTempest
KingTempest
TauanVictor
Naruto VS Kakashi
Replies
22
Views
1K
TegamiBachi25
TegamiBachi25
XSOULOFCINDERX
Kakashi Hatake vs Asura (Asura's Wrath) [0-0-0]
Replies
1
Views
242
XSOULOFCINDERX
XSOULOFCINDERX
Back
Top