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Toei Dragon Ball Z Upgrade

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It's common to throw around feats and statements like Kid Boo destroying the Grand Kai's planet and Super Boo with Gohan Absorbed doing a Vice Shout that threatened to destroy the living world relatively quickly, but I was recently sent this feat on Discord by someone else in this wiki, which went unnoticed by years, that could further support these proposed ratings.

On Dragon Ball Kai, Kid Boo's Vanishing Ball warps the Sacred World of the Kaioshin once it touches the grounds, changing the planet's color, making planetary storms and finally and most importantly, blowing gigantic craters all over its surface. These craters can be seen from distant orbital shots and cover an immense portion of the planet's scope.

The feat can be seen here. It starts at 19:00 of the linked video, but if you want to see the cake and most important part, 21:00 onwards.

The World of the Kaioshins, of course, is big enough to encompass significant portions of the Kaioshin Realm, the separate space/realm it is located at - with the Kaioshin Realm being one fifth as big as the Universe. I calculated this myself and ended up with a radius of over 650 million light years for the Kaioshin World.

This is not a "statement that is contradicted", but a blatant, in-your-freaking-face tier 3+ feat for Majin Boo, that is supported by other feats as well.

Likewise, the Vanishing Ball was able to travel roughly half of the planet's circumference within seconds, which is also a notable speed feat that could upgrade the verse, since it was reacted to by SSJ2 Goku two different times.
 
I don't think people are going to accept the planet beig several million lightyears across unless I'm forgetting a statement or something. I probably am, I recognize that claim somewhere. Just drawing a blank.
 
@Akreious

The realm that the planet is on, the Kaioshin Realm, is stated to be one fifth of the Universe's diameter.

The planet encompasses a significant portion of said realm.
 
Also want to note again that this isn't "just a statement" like people who argue against this topic like to say, this is a direct feat for Majin Boo. We see the planet being warped and unstabilized, with the day turning into night, gigantic storms looming in and finally, the ground warping and freaking large craters appearing.

Later, Kibitoshin even sarcastically thanks Goku for causing such an immense damage to the planet in his fight with Boo.
 
I like how the ground warping and the large craters are just clearly the animators using the "Enhance" effect everywhere xD
 
Well, I agree FRA.

Also, can someone name me the song at 21:00?

I for some reason find it nostalgic
 
I'm going to be as neutral as I can here

  • 1: Animators cannot accurately display a planet significantly larger than a galaxy correctly in any visable work of fiction.
  • 2: We should go by the consistency of the statement of the size of the Sacred World to go by, and compare it to the size of the Universe at the time. If both are consistent enough to note... Then a Upgrade is possible.
  • 3:Also remember that no one sans SSJ3 Goku level entities + beyond even scale to said feat.
.... But remember that:

  • Could be labeled a Outlier and possibly treated as a inconsistent showing of strength as shown by the GT Guides for Omega being the only notable antagonists, whose millions of leagues beyond all versions of Buu , capable of destroying multiple galaxies
  • The extreme unliklihood of accepting the size of Sacred World as even remotely bigger than the average galaxy.
 
Definitely following and looking forward to an upgrade, but I'm going to be neutral for the sake of the debate.
 
> Could be labeled a Outlier and possibly treated as a inconsistent showing of strength as shown by the GT Guides for Omega being the only notable antagonists, whose millions of leagues beyond all versions of Buu , capable of destroying multiple galaxies

Yi Xing Long is now 3-A. The one with the 3-B statement is Black Smoke Shenlong, who we treat as equal to him merely for the sake of an extreme lowball, because Goku not saying anything about his ki being too big for anyone to remotely stand a chance suggests that he wasn't all that great in comparison to everyone else.

Also, worth noting that Baby Vegeta's Death Ball created shockwaves that were able to make Kibitoshin drop Goku while he was teleporting - and considering Instant Transmission takes you to an alternate space located outside the boundaries of Universe 7, that'd be quite the feat (but wouldn't be tier 2 or anything, since the alternate dimensions in Dragon Ball exist within the same physical space)

> Unlikelihood of being accepted

So, basically letting people just deny it and say "it just isn't that big, it can't be!!" without points, aside from orbital shots without anything meaningful to scale? The only thing that can be scaled is Kid Boo's Vanishing Ball size when it is circundating it, but that ball is literally only a few meters in size, so unless you want to say Kaioshin World is only a few kilometers in size (which makes no sense), it's clear that doesn't indicate anything.
 
> Also, worth noting that Baby Vegeta's Death Ball created shockwaves that were able to make Kibitoshin drop Goku while he was teleporting

Source? This is interesting.

About the OP, not getting involved in the shitstorm. Just want a link to this Baby feat to see if it isn't misinterpreted.
 
@Kep

https://www13.dbzsuper.tv/watch/dragon-ball-gt-episode-30-subbed/

From 9:00 onwards. Kibitoshin swoops in, saves Goku, teleports, spends a few seconds teleporting, however, once Baby Vegeta's Death Ball touches the ground, it makes the very fabric of the universe shake, resulting on Kibitoshin dropping Goku.

The Kai Kai and Instant Transmission lead to pocket dimensions outside Universe 7, as stated in the Daizenshuu, shown in the Meta Cooler movie, and shown again, well...in the episode I just linked. However, pocket dimensions in Dragon Ball are located a finite distance away from the universe. So this feat is easily 3-B, at the very least.
 
https://************/Anime/Dragon-Ball-GT-Sub/Episode-002-pan-blasts-off?id=105068&s=default

Dragon Ball GT episode 2

Narrator: Is the spaceship heading off to boundless galaxies!? The term bountless usually means an uncountable amount/countless or unlimited
 
There's no reason for it to be a hyperbole, when the Daizenshuu says the same thing.

Inb4 "B-but the daizenshuu has inconsistent statements!"
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
I'm pretty certain everyone in their mother would take that as a hyperbole... Unless you did that because of what someone asked you a while ago ?
Click to expand...
I'm pretty sure he is not quoting that to argue that there are infinite galaxies, but that there are countless galaxies. As in, way, way more than just 4 normal-sized ones. This struck me as super obvious, no offense.
 
I needed to make sure... Because people I've debated with have argued quite a few times, and I've seen it plenty off-site, to say some feats in DBZ are High 3-A . I agree with it being far greater than 4 yes. But.... Would that affect the Universe shaking feat though if we assume that ? And the better question, is do we assume it's greater than our observable universe by a great deal as a significant lowball... Or just "much greater than 4" .
 
I'm lost on Supreme Kai's planet being multi-galaxy sized. When was this?
 
Universus
As you can see, the planet in the Realm of the Kaioshin is still significant in comparison with the rest of the universe, which should make it 3-B via sheer size.
 
Also, I am fairly certain the Planet is, unlike the other planets on the map above (such as King Kai's) in scale with the rest of the universe.

Anyway, this is definitely interesting and could potentially help me wank RSG character on FC/OC even more.
 
Any proof that planet is drawn to scale? As far as I can see, the map is clearly not drawn to scale and is only to depict the relative positions of celestial bodies and the basic structure of the universe. Otherwise we'd end up having multi-galaxy sized King Kai's planet, multi-galaxy sized check-in station, all contained in a universe having 1 million km radius.
 
It doesn't come from just the map, actually. The Daizenshuu outright states that the Kaioshin Realm is one fifth the size of the universe and that the Kaioshin Planet encompasses a large fraction of it. Which means everything inside the Kaioshin Realm is drawn to scale.

Still neutral here, just noting this.
 
Didn't find anything about the Kaioshin planet being a large fraction of the realm.

Kaioshin Realm
 
I'm fairly certain there's a scene in a filler episode where they slowly zoom in on the planet while they are outside the boundaries of the Kaioshin Realm, and you can see the planet is really meant to be that big.
 
No, that's just a picture of the planet. We need an image of the planet and the Kaioshin realm together to compare their sizes (like Kep mentioned) or a statement about it encompassing a big fraction of the realm. If something like that exists, we can calculate the size of the planet and that would make the feat pretty much solid (except for the arguments about it being an outlier).

Until then, there's insufficient evidence for the upgrade proposal.
 
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