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Big Sword vs Muh Desires (Riven vs Riven)

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Pretty sure she always does

All Ahamkara do because that's their entire deal and how they grow in power
 
Even ahamkara corpses mindhax. It's more or less their defining thing.

Riven's survivability sucks though. She's no Oryx. If she takes a low 2-C hit she's not coming back, though her corpse is still deadly.
 
Ahamkara constantly feed off the desires of those around them, subtly altering their behaviour in a way beneficial to Riven. Riven can go all agressive and obliterate minds, or use the same Taken power wielded by Oryx, but that's not the default.
 
Riven herself does like to take control of things.
 
1: If she is 4-D herself that should be listed on her profile

2: That means nothing. Being the emboidiment of a concept doesn't affect anything in regards to dimensionality
 
How long does it take for the mind control to take effect? Because from what I remember she has to promise you something first and it seems to take a while, and I dont think there is anything Riven wants.
 
EmbodimentÔëá4-D physicality, and HDP should be on the file.

Given that Riven can seduce those who are able to withstand the ascendant plane, and for a little bit even begin to affect Oryx, 4D mindhax isn't exactly out of the question anyways.
 
>Embodiment of order doesn't want anything whatsoever

gonna need a citation on that

also pretty sure the mind hax is either instant or border-line passive as even Ahamkara corpses can mind hax
 
Hl3 or bust said:
>Embodiment of order doesn't want anything whatsoever
gonna need a citation on that

also pretty sure the mind hax is either instant or border-line passive as even Ahamkara corpses can mind hax
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It depends on when riven is being picked up, before or after she defeated Yasuo. If it is after I dont see what she would want, it would be up to you to prove she wants soemthing.

Any proof of this? Because from gameplay it seems to take wuite a while, I dont know why Riven cant just obliterate her before it happens.
 
????????????????

that isn;t a factor here

also it's lore

there is a link to a Blog on Riven's page with explainations for everything
 
Basic needs count as desires, like happiness or whatever. Ahamkara aren't stingy.

The player characters just resist. PC guardian is insane.
 
Hl3 or bust said:
????????????????
that isn;t a factor here

also it's lore

there is a link to a Blog on Riven's page with explainations for everything
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It is, if this is her before she beat Yasuo then yeah she has the desire to defeat him and I can see her falling for the mind manipulation. If not then we cant assume that she wants something without proof.

Ok I would check the blog.
 
There's also how yasuo probably won't notice Riven's influence. She'll find herself not wanting to attack riven and not question it. Then she may find herself suddenly suicidal, or wanting to serve the weird worm, or riven may just Take her, or all sorts of things.

Even killing Riven isn't great. Ahamkara bones have mindhsxxed dudes, and her death causes one last wish which triggers both death manip and a causal loop that ends up respawning riven.
 
Wokistan said:
Basic needs count as desires, like happiness or whatever. Ahamkara aren't stingy.
The player characters just resist. PC guardian is insane.
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Again, we cant say that riven would fall for it unless we know that she wants something. After riven defeats Yasuo she seems pretty damn satisfied with life.
 
Uh we can't assume she wants literally nothing. Happy people still have desires, even unconscious ones. You'd need an explicit statement of something like that.
 
Wokistan said:
There's also how yasuo probably won't notice Riven's influence. She'll find herself not wanting to attack riven and not question it. Then she may find herself suddenly suicidal, or wanting to serve the weird worm, or riven may just Take her, or all sorts of things.
Even killing Riven isn't great. Ahamkara bones have mindhsxxed dudes, and her death causes one last wish which triggers both death manip and a causal loop that ends up respawning riven.
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I mean it is a 3 week loop, which counts as a loss. And death manipulation wont kill riven since she relies on the concept of order.(And after defeating yasuo chaos as well I guess).
 
Not having desires i like not having thoughts or a mind

Do you not want to die?

Do you want to do literally anything?

Do you want to kill this worm thing?

You then have desires
 
Hl3 or bust said:
Not having desires i like not having thoughts or a mind
Do you not want to die?

Do you want to do literally anything?

You then have desires
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Okay so are you trying to imply that a literal God has human thoughts? What? Again without proof we cannot imply that she has random desires.
 
Riven respawns weekly, which is just in the limit iirc.
 
The default assumption is definitely that sentient beings desire things. It can be as simple as "I want to stay alive".
 
Rocker1189 said:
Hl3 or bust said:
Not having desires i like not having thoughts or a mind
Do you not want to die?

Do you want to do literally anything?

You then have desires
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Okay so are you trying to imply that a literal God has human thoughts? What? Again without proof we cannot imply that she has random desires.
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It would make sense that something like Riven would have different desires and thoughts from normal humans, but lacking desires of any scale or complexity is NLF

also Oryx was marginally affected by Riven and Oryx is far weirder in terms of how he thinks than anything in LoL
 
Than the Cosmics, darks stars, celestials, targonians, the blood moon and its demons, other demons, devil teemo, space dragons and literally death. I really really dont think he is any weirder. Also can I get and explanation as to why her range is solar system level?
 
Oryx was totally fine when a literal universe was trying to destroy his mind and has type 5 acausality

also, him literally talking makes 2 different numbers equal

he is far weirder
 
Hl3 or bust said:
Oryx was totally fine when a literal universe was trying to destroy his mind and has type 5 acausality
also, him literally talking makes 2 different numbers equal

he is far weirder
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He may be weirder in terms of speaking making two numbers but in terms of actual thoughts he seems pretty damn human.
 
Anyway a sentient being having no desires is not really a thing unless that's the entire point of the character and even then it often includes contradictions.
 
Rocker1189 said:
Hl3 or bust said:
Oryx was totally fine when a literal universe was trying to destroy his mind and has type 5 acausality
also, him literally talking makes 2 different numbers equal

he is far weirder
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He may be weirder in terms of speaking making two numbers but in terms of actual thoughts he seems pretty damn human.
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>Oryx

>has human thought processes

these are 2 mutually exclusive terms

pick one

in all seriousness, Oryx is far weirder than anything in LoL except for maybe Dark Stars iirc, but that;s a huge maybe
 
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