Etrian Odyssey Untold 1 and 2 Profiles? (Spoilers for both games)

So I was wondering. I wanted to know if Highlander, The Fafnir Knight, The Yggdrasil Core and the rest have profiles. Cuz if they don't well then I would like to share some knowledge on this.

In Etrian Odyssey Untold 1, Gungnir is weapon of mass destruction, and was considered for destroying the Yggdrasil Core. M.I.K.E., a supercomputer AI, calculated the damage would be powerful enough to wipe out both the Labyrinth and the town of Etria. This means that Gungnir is Town level+, likely City level. So the Yggdrasil Core's durability would be lower than that of the Gungnir, around maybe Town level.

Since the guild of the Highlander defeated the Core, they should be the same also, although they needed to use a potion to weaken the Core.

The Yggdrasil Core of the second game is similar to the first game. So Town level too.

And in Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold's ending, the Fafnir Knight transformed into the true Fafnir Knight and oneshotted the Yggdrasil Core. This makes him similar to Gungnir(Which can also oneshot the Core), so Town level+ to City level.

What are your thoughts? Etrian Odyssey is a great series, so I wonder if it can have profiles here.

So no one knows Etrian Odyssey?

Bump..?

Following on from what we discussed over on Hunter vs Primevil, the answer to how big the labyrinth is is right in front of you. Take a good look at this image of Yggdrasil:


The tree of Yggdrasil


From this image, it's pretty clear that Yggdrasil is ENORMOUS. If that city at the foot were city level, or even town level, this would be clear cut mountain size, or even higher. It takes up almost the entire island, for goodness sake! And this appears to be one big island, when you consider that this is on Earth, and you can see the slant of the Earth in this picture. Even though this is Etrian Odyssey V's Yggdrasil, it can be compared to the size of the others. Considering that Gungnir could potentially destroy all of this (profile for M.I.K.E. in order, I guess?), and that any of the Yggdrasil Cores could destroy even more, it looks like we can list Etrian Odyssey's highest tier as Country/Continent level.

Any thoughts?

Oh man, I thought that picture was fan art. If that's official then...

Wow, that's huge indeed. And if the energy needed to destroy something of that size is also the same energy value needed to kill the Yggdrasil cores, then that means it could definitely reach Tier 6.

Considering that Fafnir Knight with his True powers can oneshot the Core, then True FK must be around Continent+. Also, Highlander with Kupala's powers can also deal enormous damage to Primevil/Yggdrasil. That's way more than my previous estimation of Town level!

As for speed feats, in Untold 2 you fight the old man gunner (Forgot his name). Anyways, all party members can obviously dodge that, so those that mean the average explorers are bullet-timers? I can't wait to make Fire Emblem VS Etrian Odyssey matchups...

I would love to create profiles, but I'm not really good at making them.

Okay. Leave it to me then.

In any case, first things first, I'll need a calc for how big exactly this Yggdrasil is, before we can do this. I guess I'll send a message to the calcuation request board.

Lasatar said:

Okay. Leave it to me then.
In any case, first things first, I'll need a calc for how big exactly this Yggdrasil is, before we can do this. I guess I'll send a message to the calcuation request board.

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Sure sure! Thanks again!

I also wonder if the Overlord's speed is viable? I mean, is the Fafnir Knight's lightning blade natural lightning?

Problem. I'm not able to access the calculation request board, since my computer won't load any threads with too many messages posted to it. Will have to do something else.


In any case, right now, I reckon we should look at what scales to what. Considering that Gungnir is able to destroy all of that, we can scale Primevil's durability to that value. Gungnir will also be able to provide stats for M.I.K.E.'s most powerful form. Considering that Visil's Serum was able to almost destroy Primevil (but Primevil regenerated too fast for it to really work), we can list Etreant as slightly lower than Primevil, which will scale to the Highlander (and other EOU story characters) normally. Highlander normally, will Scale to many of the bosses, including M.I.K.E (without Gungnir), Ren, and Talachtga. As for the speed values, I believe there is a certain event in the second stratum that defines it. Yes, I'm talking about the Wyvern. The Highlander, as well as the other story characters, are able to dodge lightning. This puts them at at least Massively Hypersonic. Finally, we have Kupala, and Kupala's power Highlander. As the Highlander with Kupala's power can utterly destroy Primevil without even thinking, that puts Highlander with Kupala's power on Primevil's level. This scales to Kupala herself, of course.

Now for the EO2U characters. Primevil likely scales to this Yggdrasil Core, so we can base many things from that. The Overlord has the Grail of Kings, which possesses the power to destroy the Yggdrasil Core completely and utterly (just look at what it did to the Fafnir Knight). That means that Grail of Kings Fafnir Knight and Grail of Kings Overlord both scale to the Yggdrasil Core. Other than that, the values are a little hard to measure. I'll need to think about how to do this.

I hope that this can speed up the process when we can get the calc done.

Lasatar said:

Problem. I'm not able to access the calculation request board, since my computer won't load any threads with too many messages posted to it. Will have to do something else.

In any case, right now, I reckon we should look at what scales to what. Considering that Gungnir is able to destroy all of that, we can scale Primevil's durability to that value. Gungnir will also be able to provide stats for M.I.K.E.'s most powerful form. Considering that Visil's Serum was able to almost destroy Primevil (but Primevil regenerated too fast), we can list Etreant as slightly lower than Primevil, which will scale to the Highlander (and other EOU story characters) normally. Highlander normally, will Scale to many of the bosses, including M.I.K.E (without Gungnir), Ren, and Talachtga. As for the speed values, I believe there is a certain event in the second stratum that defines it. Yes, I'm talking about the Wyvern. The Highlander, as well as the other story characters, are able to dodge lightning. This puts them at at least Massively Hypersonic. Finally, we have Kupala, and Kupala's power Highlander. As the Highlander with Kupala's power can utterly destroy Primevil without even thinking, that puts Highlander with Kupala's power on Primevil's level. This scales to Kupala herself, of course.

Now for the EO2U characters. Primevil likely scales to this Yggdrasil Core, so we can base many things from that. The Overlord has the Grail of Kings, which possesses the power to destroy the Yggdrasil Core completely and utterly (just look at what it did to the Fafnir Knight). That means that Grail of Kings Fafnir Knight and Grail of Kings Overlord both scale to the Yggdrasil Core. Other than that, the values are a little hard to measure. I'll need to think about how to do this.

I hope that this can speed up the process when we can get the calc done.

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Ah, so it IS natural lightning! Okay, thanks for all that! Let's just be careful of circular scaling, but other than that it looks good enough.

In any case, if you don't mind, are you able to post the request to the calc request board? Just tell them to work out the size of Yggdrasil, and also the surrounding lands (the city as well would be nice, since the elemental dragons have pretty good proof of scaling to these cities scattered around the place, which is likely the highest that many of the generic classes can reach). As the planet is the size of Earth, it should be possible.

ShinyMagicalGirl said:

Lasatar said:

Okay. Leave it to me then.
In any case, first things first, I'll need a calc for how big exactly this Yggdrasil is, before we can do this. I guess I'll send a message to the calcuation request board.

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Sure sure! Thanks again!
I also wonder if the Overlord's speed is viable? I mean, is the Fafnir Knight's lightning blade natural lightning?

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Also, sorry for missing this earlier. I'm not talking about the Volt Sabre. I'm talking about the Thunder Wave, which does appear to be lightning.

Lasatar said:

In any case, if you don't mind, are you able to post the request to the calc request board? Just tell them to work out the size of Yggdrasil, and also the surrounding lands (the city as well would be nice, since the elemental dragons have pretty good proof of scaling to these cities scattered around the place, which is likely the highest that many of the generic classes can reach). As the planet is the size of Earth, it should be possible.

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Sure, I'll try to ask them.

Thanks.

Lasatar said:

Thanks.

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I requested it, though I omitted the cities since I don't see it in the picture. But you can check out the request, it should be the newest one.

Like I said, my computer doesn't load any threads with an excessive amount of messages.

Also, the city is in the image, it's just very small, so you may need to zoom in.

EDIT: Actually, I was able to view the post through your user contributions page. Now we just need to wait for a response.

Good news! LordXcano decided to tackle the calc! Can't wait for the results!

Cool. Looking forward to it. After that, we can finally add these profiles.

Okay, so I just recently finished Etrian Odyssey IV, and I noticed a few things. Firstly, is the Heavenbringer. The Heavenbringer is the Titan that was sealed within Yggdrasil. The fight against it doesn't necesserily give any info on what statistics it should be, however, so we need to dig a little deeper. In the 6th Stratum, the Hall of Darkness, you find old records of a disaster that apparently happened a thousand years prior. To fix the disaster, the Yggdrasil Project commenced. If you played either of the Untolds, you'll know what that's all about, so I won't go into detail. In any case, they knew that the Heavenbringer would awaken, and so they made a failsafe, in the form of a creature called the Insatiable Pupa. The Pupa was created for the pupose of feeding on Yggdrasil's power, so that it would have enough power to destroy Yggdrasil, along with the Heavenbringer, should things come to the worst (not to mention that it supposed to be able to destroy the whole world, and not just Yggdrasil). The Pupa, however, was as its name implies; a pupa, and so feeding on the power of Yggdrasil mutated it into an abomination known as the Warped Savior, which, I may add, is the most appropriate name they could have come up with.

So how much of that did you take in? Well, the most important part is the bit that says "The Pupa was created for the purposes of feeding on Yggdrasil's power, so that it would have enough power to destroy Yggdrasil and the Heavenbringer should things come to the worst", the keyword being "destroy Yggdrasil". Right now, we are waiting for LordXcano to arrive back with this exact calc, which will allow us to determine what the AP of the Warped Saviour, which must then translate to the Dura of the Heavenbringer (albeit, with the Heavenbringer's Dura as a little less than WS's AP).

As well as this, we have the Medium, who was used by Prince Baldur (who had been infected by the Titan's Curse) to revive the Heavenbringer. This mostly drained the Medium of her power, although, she used what was left in order to weaken the Heavenbringer and prevent it from destroying the land (and that is why A) the generic explorer characters don't scale to the Heavenbringer, and B) why the Heavenbringer didn't just destroy everything the instant it was freed). What's more, she did this while sleeping and unaware of the situation. I'm starting to think that the Medium is the strongest Etrian Odyssey character (like, for example, while having a nightmare, she kinda conjured up a fake Heavenbringer in the real world, which was just as powerful as the real one, which you have to fight if you want more Heavenbringer materials).

As for the weaker characters, we have Wufan, Kibagami, Logre, Kirjonen, Wiglaf, and Baldur. I believe that all of them can scale to each other (well, you can have all of them in your party at some point in the game, which means that you can technically get some of them to fight one another, as you fight a few of them during the game), while Baldur affected by the Titan's Curse is quite a bit more powerful, scaling to a weakened Heavenbringer.


I don't know how much of this will come in handy, but at least it's there if we ever do need it.

Actually, do you think that we should address some of the bosses in the series, with their uncanny regenerative abilities, that always bring them back after a single fortnight? According to Artelinde and Wilhelm, this is the Eternal Life that always brings them back even after they're killed. If so, what level of Regenerationn would it be? I'd approximate High-Mid, but considering there's not even a corpse after you're done killing it, it could be higher. What're your thoughts?

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Actually, do you think that we should address some of the bosses in the series, with their uncanny regenerative abilities, that always bring them back after a single fortnight? According to Artelinde and Wilhelm, this is the Eternal Life that always brings them back even after they're killed. If so, what level of Regenerationn would it be? I'd approximate High-Mid, but considering there's not even a corpse after you're done killing it, it could be higher. What're your thoughts?

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Well, that could be gameplay mechanics. But if Artelinde actually stated it, then sure. However, it would not matter in a fight because they take so long to respawn.

ShinyMagicalGirl said:

Lasatar said:

Actually, do you think that we should address some of the bosses in the series, with their uncanny regenerative abilities, that always bring them back after a single fortnight? According to Artelinde and Wilhelm, this is the Eternal Life that always brings them back even after they're killed. If so, what level of Regenerationn would it be? I'd approximate High-Mid, but considering there's not even a corpse after you're done killing it, it could be higher. What're your thoughts?

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Well, that could be gameplay mechanics. But if Artelinde actually stated it, then sure. However, it would not matter in a fight because they take so long to respawn.

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Well, even if something is useless in a fight, doesn't necessarily mean that it's useless altogether. If there was a battle that involved "character X must utterly kill character Y to win", then regen could be taken into account. Well, I don't know. Just thought I'd put it out there.

Also, what's your opinion on that bit of EOIV info?

Well, that EO4 bit does seems interesting. And I haven't played 4 yet, so I don't know. I'll have to play for myself, but I can trust you on that at least. And judging from the Warped Savior's description, I'd say it should be equal to the Cores, since the WS was made to destroy the cores.

Good news! XCano has finally made the calc! Check it out!

Looks like the Yggdrasil Cores got Multi-Continent dura. This will scale to a lot of characters, and this will probably boost the EO series a lot.

Awesome! So it looks like we have the statistics of:

Primevil

Yggdrasil Core

Grail of Kings, and any profile that uses Grail of Kings (Fafnir Knight and Overlord)

Visil's Serum

Kupala's Power Highlander

Kupala

and Gungnir (Therefore M.I.K.E.).


Which should we implement first?

Damn, forgot Warped Savior, Heavenbringer, the Medium, and the Cursed Prince. But I think we should fix Primevil's profile first. So how do we know if the calc is approved or not?

I have fixed Primevil's page. It now lists the statistics as Multi-Continent. Will change the Overlord (Grail of Kings stats) to reflect the upgrade as well. After that, I suggest we do the Untold 2 Yggdrasil Core and the Fafnir Knight.

Yggdrasil Core is ready to roll! Granted, I was able to rip most statistics from Primevil, so it only took about 10-20 minutes.