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Ness vs. Darkseid

The_Wright_Way

The_Wright_Way

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Ness marched through the dark smoke of the burning city in front of him. It had barely been a week since Giygas was defeated and yet, another alien warlord appeared to threaten the Earth, this time, directly attacking his hometown of Onett. Ness shoved the smoke aside to see Darkseid standing over the runs of city hall. The Lord of Apocalypse gave a sinister smirk. "Flee weakling, or meet your demise." Ness hefted up his baseball bat over his shoulder, standing strong in the presence of the Dark Lord. "You should follow the example of your elders, boy. They know when to kneel. Now die, die for Darkseid!"

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Speed Equalized. Both at Low 2-C.

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Following and definitely an interesting match, but I would wait until revisions are complete.

But regardless, I will argue. What does Darkseid open with? Ness has Resistance to Void Manipulaton and leads with Paralysis. Which can incap Darkseid.
 
I feel like a remember something about Giygas mindhaxing the universe or the world or something like that and Ness just shrugged him off. Don't quote me on that.
 
DaBigP said:
Following and definitely an interesting match, but I would wait until revisions are complete.

But regardless, I will argue. What does Darkseid open with? Ness has Resistance to Void Manipulaton and leads with Paralysis. Which can incap Darkseid.
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He tends to spam Omega Beams.
 
Pretty good

He defeated the evil and violent side of his mind in Magicant that Giygas was trying to take control of. Giygas mind hax would not work on Ness at all because of that (The Mani Mani statue also failed to mind hax Ness) And so he removed all evil influences in him and absorbed Magicant.

Giygas, even at his base form, had 5-B ange with mind hax then I think reached to Universal Level+. Especially because he was at the Future timeline (that was already Void haxed to death) trying to mind hax people in the present timeline. Though, somebody can correct me on that one.


If Darkseid leads with Omega Beam, then it won't work at all. Then I vote Ness for variety of moves like Paralysis and Flash which has a chance to OHK
 
DaBigP said:
Pretty good

He defeated the evil and violent side of his mind in Magicant that Giygas was trying to take control of. Giygas mind hax would not work on Ness at all because of that (The Mani Mani statue also failed to mind hax Ness) And so he removed all evil influences in him and absorbed Magicant.

Giygas, even at his base form, had 5-A range with mind hax then I think reached to Universal Level+. Especially because he was at the Future timeline (that was already Void haxed to death) trying to mind hax people in the present timeline. Though, somebody can correct me on that one.


If Darkseid leads with Omega Beam, then it won't work at all. Then I vote Ness for variety of moves like Paralysis and Flash which has a chance to OHK
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Don't think you can tier mindhax like that. Unless you mean he mindhaxed a Large Planet or Universe's worth of people. Both options far outweigh anything Darkseid has done regardless.
 
Pretty sure it's 5-B that Giygas mind haxed, even at base like I said. However, I don't know if it also reaches Low 2―C tier.

(I meant to put 5-B rather than 5-A, my bad. And I need to get some sleep, like heck.)
 
Darkseid's Omega Beams can completely erase someone's soul, and erase them across history and fate itself. Has Ness ever countered something to this extent?
 
That's not what it says on his profile. And even then, that still counts as Void Manipulaton which Ness resist by a pretty good extent thanks to another alie. Oh, it's also worth mentioning that it could possibly be reflected back thanks to PSI Shield while Ness takes no damage thanks to Resistance. Plus on top with Nigh Omniscience, which grants him both Precognition and some degree of clairvoyance, and variety of attacks, Darkseid isn't going to be erasing anything. Heck, Darkseids weakness even states that he doesn't use his most potent move in the beginning, so that's a let down for him.
 
The Profile doesn't have to be specfic in itself and the scan which states this is generally undeniable so you really don't have a way arguing against this.

PSI shield does exactly what? what shows that it can tank the omega beams?

Nigh Omnisciene is only viable inverse, it's useless otherwise, and you haven't even elaborated as to why this would counter the erasure in itself, as the omega beams in general usually never miss (unless PIS.) And Nor have you shown anything that would counter it in the first place.

I don't think you know alot about darkseid, Darkseid usually always spams the omega beams, and he is definitely smart enough to know that he should just erase Ness. Besides, The Beams have already been a threat to the AM, who can take on all the heroes from the infinite earths, including the beings who can erase existence, so resistance isn't that viable.
 
Hykuu said:
The Profile doesn't have to be specfic in itself and the scan which states this is generally undeniable so you really don't have a way arguing against this.

PSI shield does exactly what? what shows that it can tank the omega beams?

Nigh Omnisciene is only viable inverse, it's useless otherwise, and you haven't even elaborated as to why this would counter the erasure in itself, as the omega beams in general usually never miss (unless PIS.) And Nor have you shown anything that would counter it in the first place.

I don't think you know alot about darkseid, Darkseid usually always spams the omega beams, and he is definitely smart enough to know that he should just erase Ness. Besides, The Beams have already been a threat to the AM, who can take on all the heroes from the infinite earths, including the beings who can erase existence, so resistance isn't that viable.
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Sheilds can survive in the presence of Giygas who passively erases everything around him so yes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember Darkseid's omega beams being really inconsistent in their potency. I'll have to double check, but I remember Giygas's void doing something similar to Darkseid's.
 
The "never miss part" kinda makes me want to see a scan of that.

PSI shield did indeed shield the party from Giygas attack, which again has Passive Void Manipulaton. As it can reflect "anything" that is not PSI energy, it shown to reflect energy projectile (like The Starmans lazer) and physical damage. So it ca reflect the omega beam.

Again, Nigh Omniscient grants him Precognition and some degree of Clairvoyance as shown in Magicant when he defeated the evil and violent side of him.

> I have this scan which states it's "undeniable" so that means it can't be argued.

What? I am rather confused by this, sorry for my ignorance.


> Don't think you know a lot about Darkseid

Harsh, but true. But you don't see me saying that you don't know Jack about Ness ovo. Yeah, I'm just joking.

It was already stated that Darkseid leads with Omega Beam

> Omega Beam were a threat on somebody who went up against heroes from a different universe I think (don't quote me on that), who some also has Void Manipulaton. So that definitely means Resistance ain't working

Cool, Ness resist Passive Void manipulation. This is also how Giygas effortlessly destroyed the universe in the future. Did that "someone" I mention resist Void manipulation? If he did, it still wouldn't matter because it's on a different level than Ness' resistance (correct me on that one if you have to). Ness resist Void manipulation and that's it, unless Darkseid somehow bypasses resistance with something special. He ain't gonna be erasing Ness.


One last thing, Ness opens up with incap via Paralysis, which pretty much would end the fight as it is instantaneous because it's a thought based and something that's actually unavoidable. Darkseid can no longer harm Ness or use the omega beam on him because of paralysis. He can also use Hypnosis, which would put Darkseid to sleep and use PK Flash to end it all if paralysis isn't enough apparently. So that's some options for Ness to use and open with. Paralysis (can end the fight there, which is a more likely to be the case), hypnosis, and Flash which can have different probabilities of status effect (crying, confusion, paralysis, and One hit kill) So yeah, that's why I vote Ness.
 
ok can either of you prove giygas' void manip has the same potency which the omega beams do

"Again, Nigh Omniscient grants him Precognition and some degree of Clairvoyance as shown in Magicant when he defeated the evil and violent side of him." Tell me how this is combat applicable and will actually give him a advantage.

"What? I am rather confused by this, sorry for my ignorance."

I am basically saying that the scan is pretty clear and easily proves what I am arguing so trying to debunk it would be futile.

"Cool, Ness resist Passive Void manipulation. This is also how Giygas effortlesslydestroyed the universe in the future. Did that "someone" I mention resist Void manipulation? If he did, it still wouldn't matter because it's on a different level than Ness' resistance (correct me on that one if you have to). Ness resist Void manipulation and that's it, unless Darkseid somehow bypasses resistance with something special. He ain't gonna be erasing Ness."

Doesn't matter if its passive, the void manip which giygas shows has to be equal to that of darkseid's in order for the resistance to actually kick in.

You'd have to prove Ness would even start with this, and Darkseid himself is at first acasual, so you would have to prove this can work on acasual beings. He also can just do things like BFR Ness across time (I for some reason remember ness having a counter to this but I'm not sure so if he does my bad.) Or again, Just erase him.
 
Just pointing out that Type 1 Acasualty doesn't mean anything here. It protects you from time paradoxes and that's it.
 
Ness also has Type 1 as well, in addition to Type 6 immortality (which is what you were probably referring to counter BFR)


I'll reply on the rest soon
 
RShadowWarrior1999 said:
"Immunity to mine control."
NLF much? Darkseid mindhaxed 3 billion. How good is Ness's resistance?
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Resisted a fetus that mind haxxed an entire universe including non-sentient objects, and abstracts.


Darkseid has also wayyy better mind hax then the example you listed.
 
Who else? Ness isn't bypassing Type 9 nor is he capable of hitting him due to tier difference. And also since Darkseid can actually harm him.
 
It could but the immortality's leads me to believe that it would render it useless since Darkseid's true form is High 2-A.
 
Yeah, but how often does High 2-A Darkseid directly get involved with his 2-C self? Darkseid's Avatars are inconvenienced by people on the same level as them all the time.
 
Ness probably isn't winning this simply because of the tier gap, but Truth of the Universe could force an inconclusive.
 
The Wright Way said:
Yeah, but how often does High 2-A Darkseid directly get involved with his 2-C self? Darkseid's Avatars are inconvenienced by people on the same level as them all the time.
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Is that so? Then I dunno, at best it could be an inconclusive with TOTU's shenanigans
 
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