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Because fate hax.
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Archie Sonic vs Magnamon
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Man I was just about to make this for the same reasons.
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hOly *** iT's sONic vERsuS dIgiMoN!!!
ShakeResounding
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Lmao oh boy
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Sonic resists mind/soul powers, and can stay alive/keep revitalizing via his Billionth Power Ring Aura.
No clue how to determine what'll come out on top between Sonic's Aura and Magnamon's Miracle Creation. Also don't know how strong Digimon 2-As are, so I'll hold off on voting for now.
Also, does Sonic have this or nah?
No clue how to determine what'll come out on top between Sonic's Aura and Magnamon's Miracle Creation. Also don't know how strong Digimon 2-As are, so I'll hold off on voting for now.
Also, does Sonic have this or nah?
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Actually serious here. Does fate hax help? Not trying to spite this time. I wanna see how they stack up to each other.
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Sure. Why not.Maverick Zero X said:
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@Maverick Digimon are infinitely above baseline though this guy seems to lack hax other than fate hax.
ShakeResounding
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@Cal I think you've seen me rant enough about it, and might have even checked out the Note within the blog, but I'll do my best to explain it again. Just for you, buddy 
I've had a thorough discussion with Executor on Sonic's Fate Manip. You can even check it out yourself if you want. He essentially said that Sonic's Fate Manip is unpredictable and he couldn't see it used in a combat scenario. He then clarified that he thinks it's competely combat applicable, but it's hard to explain how it would come into play. That's why he avoids talking about it in a VS scenario, like with our fellow Digimon here.
He said it could manifest as using just the ability he needs, raising the "chance" of him using the move that secures him a victory (and he said it's apparently happened like that before). Or it could work by making him grow in strength from a deadly attack instead of dying (which has also happened once or twice before). It tips the scales in his favor because he's the Embodiment of Chaos, and he's always had it in his favor due to this. So the small chance of him winning, as long as he does have a chance, would essentially be what would happen. It also basically f#cks other people over, like making things go wrong for them.
The problem is with Magnamon's own Fate Manip, which lets him overcome any predicament plaved before him. Both of their Fate Hax clashing would be the most difficult and convoluted thing to explain. It's essentially the same power, even acts the same to a certain extent, but it's just under a different name. It's basically Chaos vs Miracle here.
TL;DR Their Fate Hax are pretty good counters for each other.
I might go Inconclusive unless Maverick provides an argument for the Sword of Acorns. Sonic would use Conceptual Manip, but then Magnamon's own Fate Hax could prevent it. Somehow.
I've had a thorough discussion with Executor on Sonic's Fate Manip. You can even check it out yourself if you want. He essentially said that Sonic's Fate Manip is unpredictable and he couldn't see it used in a combat scenario. He then clarified that he thinks it's competely combat applicable, but it's hard to explain how it would come into play. That's why he avoids talking about it in a VS scenario, like with our fellow Digimon here.
He said it could manifest as using just the ability he needs, raising the "chance" of him using the move that secures him a victory (and he said it's apparently happened like that before). Or it could work by making him grow in strength from a deadly attack instead of dying (which has also happened once or twice before). It tips the scales in his favor because he's the Embodiment of Chaos, and he's always had it in his favor due to this. So the small chance of him winning, as long as he does have a chance, would essentially be what would happen. It also basically f#cks other people over, like making things go wrong for them.
The problem is with Magnamon's own Fate Manip, which lets him overcome any predicament plaved before him. Both of their Fate Hax clashing would be the most difficult and convoluted thing to explain. It's essentially the same power, even acts the same to a certain extent, but it's just under a different name. It's basically Chaos vs Miracle here.
TL;DR Their Fate Hax are pretty good counters for each other.
I might go Inconclusive unless Maverick provides an argument for the Sword of Acorns. Sonic would use Conceptual Manip, but then Magnamon's own Fate Hax could prevent it. Somehow.
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Sonic's Aura works by inconveniencing others + causing stupidly convenient happenings to go down in his favor, which makes him impossibly unpredictable according to Dr. Eggman.
An instance chalked up to Sonic's Aura that comes to mind was a random-cable laced with Chaos Energy exposing itself while Sonic was getting thrashed by one of Eggman's Badniks. I'll reread the entire Pre-Genesis Wave continuityfor the sixth time to properly gauge this ability.
The Sword of Acorns can also weaken folks/negate their abilities but I'm not sure if that'll work on someone apparently infinitely above baseline. Sonic can survive the happenings induced by Magnamon's Miracle Creation via his Type 8, but at the same time Miracle Creation will prevent Magnamon from getting Conceptually erased... somehow.
I'll go for Inconclusive.
An instance chalked up to Sonic's Aura that comes to mind was a random-cable laced with Chaos Energy exposing itself while Sonic was getting thrashed by one of Eggman's Badniks. I'll reread the entire Pre-Genesis Wave continuity
The Sword of Acorns can also weaken folks/negate their abilities but I'm not sure if that'll work on someone apparently infinitely above baseline. Sonic can survive the happenings induced by Magnamon's Miracle Creation via his Type 8, but at the same time Miracle Creation will prevent Magnamon from getting Conceptually erased... somehow.
I'll go for Inconclusive.
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I'm going with Sonic.
Their fate haxes would likely cancel out, but Magnamon can't kill Sonic due to type 8 despite being infinitely above baseline. It just means Sonic would come back from being one-shotted and he has limitless stamina so he won't pass out like he did in base form.
Meanwhile Sonic could use his conceptual manipulation to make Magnamon a goner.
Their fate haxes would likely cancel out, but Magnamon can't kill Sonic due to type 8 despite being infinitely above baseline. It just means Sonic would come back from being one-shotted and he has limitless stamina so he won't pass out like he did in base form.
Meanwhile Sonic could use his conceptual manipulation to make Magnamon a goner.
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Incon fra. Then having similar fate hax doesn't mean that the fate hax is not a factor. Sonic and Magnamon both aren't losing due to their hax. Sonic won't be able to kill Magna and vice versa.
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Sonic has a method of winning. Magnamon doesn't.
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Fate Hax negs that method. It means they both can't lose, not that this is now a fight without them having Fate Manip. But if Magna doesn't have any win con then this is a stomp.
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Wait never mind that last sentence. It's a true inconclusive because neither of them have a win con due to fate hax.
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But Sonic has a way of putting him down while Magnamon doesn't.
Makes sense to me to go for the guy who actually can win.
Makes sense to me to go for the guy who actually can win.
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Magnamon doesn't resist it.
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@Shadow The only problem is with the way Magnamon's Fate Hax works, which let's him "overcome any predicament placed before him". I know it doesn't make any sense, and that you do have a valid point with Conceptual Manipulation, but...
This is a literal asspull battle lol
This is a literal asspull battle lol
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Fate hax means they both can't lose, therefore incon.
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But Sonic's own fate hax will give him the opportunity to win + he actually has a way of winning.
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You... Are actually right on that part. Magnamon doesnt seem to have a valid means of putting down Sonic like many others do, while Sonic actually does.
Still, I think I might stick with Inconclusive... I don't know lol.
Still, I think I might stick with Inconclusive... I don't know lol.
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That s what it makes it incon.MYHERO said:
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@HERO That made me laugh.
@Maverick You might wanna put those scans in your blog for Fate Hax. Those seem pretty good.
@Maverick You might wanna put those scans in your blog for Fate Hax. Those seem pretty good.
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I think what they are saying shadow is that even though sonic has a way to win, due to how magnamon's own fate hax works it would probably just ended not working on him or something random would happen to cause it to have no effect on him.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
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If you want more info on Magna's fate hax, asking someone like Dragonmasterxyz would help.
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He has no resistance to conceptual manipulation, so assuming it will have no effect, even if he has fate hax is NLF.
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Magnamon is a Royal Knight and thus fights the Seven Demon Lords often i believe.
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If we can compare the source of their fate hax, then we might be able to decide which one is better and once we figured that out it will either go to
1.) Sonic because Concept manipulation
2.) Inconclusive because even if Magnamon's better he still has no way of putting Sonic down.
1.) Sonic because Concept manipulation
2.) Inconclusive because even if Magnamon's better he still has no way of putting Sonic down.
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MYHERO said:
ShakeResounding
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This seems to be a tough spot. I can see where Shadow's coming from tho.
Sonic has Type 8 that allows him to keep coning back wven if he did get one-shot, and there's no way Magnamon could put him down permanently. Sonic actually does have a way to take down Magnamon with Cinceptual Manipulation. The only problem is the Miracle Creation.
Sonic has Type 8 that allows him to keep coning back wven if he did get one-shot, and there's no way Magnamon could put him down permanently. Sonic actually does have a way to take down Magnamon with Cinceptual Manipulation. The only problem is the Miracle Creation.
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Miracle creation will not help him survive an ability he has no feats of resisting if it hits.
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