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My primary focus would be more on the feat heavy characters that are more concrete such as Saturn, Seiya, and Kouga. My secondary focus would be Abzu, Mars, and Athena. They are the most relevant characters, and predominate with most easy to identify feats.
Saturn is very feat heavy he will the one whom takes up a large portion of this thread.
There appears to be some missing abilities for saturn.
Abilities that he is missing.
reality warping ( "The End of Time" is a dimension where past, present, and future connects throughout the multiverse. He can control everything, and anything that has happened through it. )
Mid Godly Rege (he is a God that embodies the concept of time, and space. All gods can regen after their mind, body, and souls are destroyed.)
Conceptual existence/Abstract existence (type 2, or 3?)
Concept Manipulation
Regen Negation resistance up to mid-godly ( A dagger that is known to perma kill gods had a fatal hit on him, but he Regenerated and healed the wound.)
Fate manipulation ("the End of time" dimension is where past, present, and future connect. he can alter the past for someone.)
Time Travel ("the End of time" past, present, and future connect there.)
Gravity manipulation (is the creator of the 4 holy swords, and the Heavy lightening Striker controls gravity . Saturn is later seen absorbing this, and many other swords .)
heat manipulation (he can control the very stars themselves , alter their size, and use them as physical weapons.)
Immunity to Absoulte Zero (He gave tokisada new power, and chronotector . Tokisada was immune to absoulte zero and needed colder tempatures to be froze .)
Immunity to time manipulation (he is an existence beyond time.He gave tokisada a chronotector that "allows him to overcome the very concept of time itself. ")
Light manipulation ("the war gods manisfestation" and Galia "Photonector " controls light.)
Invulenrability (Tokisada was given more powerful abilities by Saturhe can stop his atomic state from changing and make his Matter unbreakable. )
Memory Manipulation (was capable of manipulating subarus memories??? Does that count??)
Soul Destruction (scaling from other users of Cosmo)
Telekensis (he levitated to his planet, and was moving his own planet closer to Earth.)
Precognition (mastery of the 6th sense )
Sub-atomic Manipulation ("The Catalysm Slash" is capable of destroying protons . Episode G Aiolia was capable of destroying light.)
Atomic manipulation, creation, desturction, and restoratio (he did ressurct the cloth of Subaru , and the power source of cosmo destroys atmos.)
matter manipulation
Acasuality Types ( 1;2; and 4)?????
Reactive evolution (instead of likely. he does have it as he was trianed as a saint, and was a saint of athena.)
Power Absorption (the ouroboros rings)
Attack Refelction
Statsitc Amplification??? (he was in the process of creating a power greater than Omega . He does have the power of Omega as well .)
Various ways of bypassing durability (sub-atomic desturction, atomic destruction, attacking souls, attacking time itself. There are other feats of destruction of time.)
Age Manipulation (Tokisada while amped by Saturn was capable of making the Bronze Saints grow old [Looks weird how it was animated though.]))
Possible existence earsure???? (Is capable of attacking the soul, atomic structure, and the "Time" that composes a target.)
Creation (The sword "TheoGensis" was the sword that "God used to create the world") .
Possible Probability manipulation???? (through Miracles. Pontos explains it as the ability to do the impossible. Saint Seiya Omega also has a miracles explained to us as the ability to over come any challenge, and summon infinite power.Here is an Imgur ablum with over 30+ scans from Saint Seiya Omega about the connection of Miracles and Infinite power.)
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[Attack potency for Saturn.]
this will be very feat centric, but the most contrete way to solidfy his Attack potency tier is through "the end of time" dimension.
It exist as a dimensionbeyond/transcends time , and past, present, and future connects there. This was repeated twice that it exist beyond/transcend time , and past present and future connect there. another repeat,A world where past, present and future overlap.
This is also very similar, no, its literally the samething as Chronos's "Lake of Time and Space" on Olympus.
On Chronos's profile it reads this. "Transcends Space-Time itself, as well as the Olympians and the Titans, much like they transcend humans. Encompasses and transcends all Past and all Future of the Macrocosmos, i.e, exists beyond the entirety of the Multiverse"
Saturn aslo transcends ordinary God's as he says himself it himself and demonstrates that. "This dagger would suffice to kill an ordinary god' [procedes to heal himself, and regenerate from the wound] Which is another aspect he shares with Chronos.
Their dimensions are visually similar to each other.
There is other ways to tier Saturn.
powerscaling. He is the strongest being Hyoga, and Shun has ever felt. They never felt a cosmo like his before.
The strongest of the 4 Holy Swords "The Cataclysm Slash" Withstood a super amped Athena exclamation via the power of Omega.
Omega is stated to be an infinite power boost , and The Athena Exclamation as we know equates the power of the big bang. The Big Bang in Saint Seiya Omega is specifically stated to have created time, and space . Which is Low 2-c (Universe Level+) x Infinite power; essentially. This was enough to overwhelm sword and break it.
There is a confirmed multiverse in Saint Seiya Omega. First Gemini Paradox/integra describes it to us in detail , and the Gold Saint of Cancer, Schiller confirms it .
You can read on this thread here where Matthew Schroeder upgraded a lot of other Saint Seiya Gods to Multiversal level+ with Saint Seiya Omega feats, and cosmological layout, and here he also regards it as canon.
Saturn is stated repeatedly that he is the master of "all time and space."
Their is a 5th holy sword that was not mentioned alongside the 4 holy swords. It is the Sword known as "Eternal Dance" it controlstime and space, zero and infinity . He absorbs this sword as well to make his primary weapon of choice.
This one is very debate(able) Tokisada was given infinite power while inside "the End of time" by Satur . This could imply Saturn has infinite power within "the End of time too"???
last one, Saturn also has the power of Omega which is Infinite power boost.
Those are some of his other feats.
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[[ Speed of Saturn ]]]
He should have "Immeasurable speed."
"The End of Time" is his domain where past, present, and future connect. it is also a space beyond time. Tokisada was amped on the power of Saturn while he was in that domain. Tokisada said "I can go anywhere" __________________________________________________________________________
[[[[[[ Durability of Saturn ]]]]]]]]
He went blow for blow with Kouga . Whom Saturn said, (Super Omega Pegasus Cloth),Kouga was his "Equal."
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[[[[[[[ Characters that scale to him ]]]]]]]
Seiya (He managed to pierce the Chronotector of Saturn with a Golden Dagger by focusing all his cosmo on a single point. Note: This was 9th sense Seiya.) I have an imgur Album for that here.
Super/final form/true Omega Kouga (was stated by Saturn to be his equal.)
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This next one should be relatively short.
Athena has 1 feat in Saint Seiya Omega. She managed to take a blow from a sword that was created by Saturn, and bestowed upon Pallas by Saturn. This would be the Sword "Eternal Dance" which control time, and space, zero and infinity . Which could be translated as controling time, and space to an infinite degree. Note: Athena took this blow while being weakened.
Tarus Harbinger thought they were equal and fighting at a stalemate , until Seiya said Athena is weakened by the Ring whose name i can never spell right...
Essentially, Athena was always stronger than Pallas. Hence the need to drain her power and give it too Pallas. The plan was to have the 2 goddesses fight to the death and kill each other. However, Athena was still not weakened enough despite Saturn giving Pallas a super powerful Arsenal.
This could be a baseline 2-A feat for Pallas and Athena. they were Trading blows with each other, and mistaken to be equal, and so on.
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Abzu has a few feats that are needed and he has a couple missing abilities.
Elemental manipulation (iirc he was the cause of the Saints new found power to manipulate the elements such as fire, water, air/wind, lightening, earth, darkness, and light)
since his host body was Kouga he should have the reactive evolution
He should be an abstract/conctupal being with Concept manipulation as well???
Power reduction/Power weakening?? (not for sure what to call it, but through his darkness power he can cause beings to weaken and make them incapable of using their full power or they kill themselves.)
Power/Attack Absorption. (He was going to absorb Athena and have her disappear inside himself.)
and with those out of the way....
with Athenas baseling 2-A feat above. Abzu did manage to break her armor, and weaken her significantly.
he also did create the Saint Seiya Omega "world" and Saint Seiya Omega (the writers) was extra careful to not use "Universe" alongside "world" as if they were separate and supposed to have different meanings??????
he should also not be MFTL+ but instead be Nigh Omniprescent he IS darkness, and was shown to become one with his darkness that was shown to be covering "everything."
his defeat was also brought about by miracles which is infinite power boost.
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I will talk about Mars, and Seiya at the same time.
Seiya has the 9th sense in omega . He shown it while fighting Mars, and while fighting Titan. He kept it active when fighting Saturn.
Base Seiya was stalemating Base Mars (Pre Darkness cosmo amp.)
9th sense Seiya was capable of landing a blow on Mars and break the stalemate.
After Darknes Cosmo amp, mars was capable of overwhelming Mars mostly due to power weakening/reduction with the darkness cosmo.
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Cross Canon Implications? This is where the real debate begins. This dagger Seiya used to hurt Saturn was created by Cronus (NOT CHRONOS) in episode G.
if we refer to this chart here from the new official website. Everything is canon, and as you can see Omega is in the same Column as Episode G, and G Assassins. Which those 2 have many WoG statements of making them canon, and even 2 official Saint Seiya websites say that "Kurumada' is the writer, and "Okada" is the designer/Artist.
This is where i am unsure on this...
Full powered and Unsealed Cronus in his prime should be(????) >>>> Seiya at that moment when he hurt Saturn.
if so... This could scale to Zeus, and Typhon.
this is all i got for now... if there is any mistakes, spelling errors, grammar errors, broken links, or something confusing. Please, let me know so i can fix it.. Thank you.
[Edit] Changes the title from 5D AP Saggitarius Seiya and other 5th dimensioanls to the current title. title is subject to change more.
Saturn is very feat heavy he will the one whom takes up a large portion of this thread.
There appears to be some missing abilities for saturn.
Abilities that he is missing.
reality warping ( "The End of Time" is a dimension where past, present, and future connects throughout the multiverse. He can control everything, and anything that has happened through it. )
Mid Godly Rege (he is a God that embodies the concept of time, and space. All gods can regen after their mind, body, and souls are destroyed.)
Conceptual existence/Abstract existence (type 2, or 3?)
Concept Manipulation
Regen Negation resistance up to mid-godly ( A dagger that is known to perma kill gods had a fatal hit on him, but he Regenerated and healed the wound.)
Fate manipulation ("the End of time" dimension is where past, present, and future connect. he can alter the past for someone.)
Time Travel ("the End of time" past, present, and future connect there.)
Gravity manipulation (is the creator of the 4 holy swords, and the Heavy lightening Striker controls gravity . Saturn is later seen absorbing this, and many other swords .)
heat manipulation (he can control the very stars themselves , alter their size, and use them as physical weapons.)
Immunity to Absoulte Zero (He gave tokisada new power, and chronotector . Tokisada was immune to absoulte zero and needed colder tempatures to be froze .)
Immunity to time manipulation (he is an existence beyond time.He gave tokisada a chronotector that "allows him to overcome the very concept of time itself. ")
Light manipulation ("the war gods manisfestation" and Galia "Photonector " controls light.)
Invulenrability (Tokisada was given more powerful abilities by Saturhe can stop his atomic state from changing and make his Matter unbreakable. )
Memory Manipulation (was capable of manipulating subarus memories??? Does that count??)
Soul Destruction (scaling from other users of Cosmo)
Telekensis (he levitated to his planet, and was moving his own planet closer to Earth.)
Precognition (mastery of the 6th sense )
Sub-atomic Manipulation ("The Catalysm Slash" is capable of destroying protons . Episode G Aiolia was capable of destroying light.)
Atomic manipulation, creation, desturction, and restoratio (he did ressurct the cloth of Subaru , and the power source of cosmo destroys atmos.)
matter manipulation
Acasuality Types ( 1;2; and 4)?????
Reactive evolution (instead of likely. he does have it as he was trianed as a saint, and was a saint of athena.)
Power Absorption (the ouroboros rings)
Attack Refelction
Statsitc Amplification??? (he was in the process of creating a power greater than Omega . He does have the power of Omega as well .)
Various ways of bypassing durability (sub-atomic desturction, atomic destruction, attacking souls, attacking time itself. There are other feats of destruction of time.)
Age Manipulation (Tokisada while amped by Saturn was capable of making the Bronze Saints grow old [Looks weird how it was animated though.]))
Possible existence earsure???? (Is capable of attacking the soul, atomic structure, and the "Time" that composes a target.)
Creation (The sword "TheoGensis" was the sword that "God used to create the world") .
Possible Probability manipulation???? (through Miracles. Pontos explains it as the ability to do the impossible. Saint Seiya Omega also has a miracles explained to us as the ability to over come any challenge, and summon infinite power.Here is an Imgur ablum with over 30+ scans from Saint Seiya Omega about the connection of Miracles and Infinite power.)
_______________________________________________________________________
[Attack potency for Saturn.]
this will be very feat centric, but the most contrete way to solidfy his Attack potency tier is through "the end of time" dimension.
It exist as a dimensionbeyond/transcends time , and past, present, and future connects there. This was repeated twice that it exist beyond/transcend time , and past present and future connect there. another repeat,A world where past, present and future overlap.
This is also very similar, no, its literally the samething as Chronos's "Lake of Time and Space" on Olympus.
On Chronos's profile it reads this. "Transcends Space-Time itself, as well as the Olympians and the Titans, much like they transcend humans. Encompasses and transcends all Past and all Future of the Macrocosmos, i.e, exists beyond the entirety of the Multiverse"
Saturn aslo transcends ordinary God's as he says himself it himself and demonstrates that. "This dagger would suffice to kill an ordinary god' [procedes to heal himself, and regenerate from the wound] Which is another aspect he shares with Chronos.
Their dimensions are visually similar to each other.
There is other ways to tier Saturn.
powerscaling. He is the strongest being Hyoga, and Shun has ever felt. They never felt a cosmo like his before.
The strongest of the 4 Holy Swords "The Cataclysm Slash" Withstood a super amped Athena exclamation via the power of Omega.
Omega is stated to be an infinite power boost , and The Athena Exclamation as we know equates the power of the big bang. The Big Bang in Saint Seiya Omega is specifically stated to have created time, and space . Which is Low 2-c (Universe Level+) x Infinite power; essentially. This was enough to overwhelm sword and break it.
There is a confirmed multiverse in Saint Seiya Omega. First Gemini Paradox/integra describes it to us in detail , and the Gold Saint of Cancer, Schiller confirms it .
You can read on this thread here where Matthew Schroeder upgraded a lot of other Saint Seiya Gods to Multiversal level+ with Saint Seiya Omega feats, and cosmological layout, and here he also regards it as canon.
Saturn is stated repeatedly that he is the master of "all time and space."
Their is a 5th holy sword that was not mentioned alongside the 4 holy swords. It is the Sword known as "Eternal Dance" it controlstime and space, zero and infinity . He absorbs this sword as well to make his primary weapon of choice.
This one is very debate(able) Tokisada was given infinite power while inside "the End of time" by Satur . This could imply Saturn has infinite power within "the End of time too"???
last one, Saturn also has the power of Omega which is Infinite power boost.
Those are some of his other feats.
_____________________________________________________________________
[[ Speed of Saturn ]]]
He should have "Immeasurable speed."
"The End of Time" is his domain where past, present, and future connect. it is also a space beyond time. Tokisada was amped on the power of Saturn while he was in that domain. Tokisada said "I can go anywhere" __________________________________________________________________________
[[[[[[ Durability of Saturn ]]]]]]]]
He went blow for blow with Kouga . Whom Saturn said, (Super Omega Pegasus Cloth),Kouga was his "Equal."
_____________________________________________________________________
[[[[[[[ Characters that scale to him ]]]]]]]
Seiya (He managed to pierce the Chronotector of Saturn with a Golden Dagger by focusing all his cosmo on a single point. Note: This was 9th sense Seiya.) I have an imgur Album for that here.
Super/final form/true Omega Kouga (was stated by Saturn to be his equal.)
______________________________________________________________________
This next one should be relatively short.
Athena has 1 feat in Saint Seiya Omega. She managed to take a blow from a sword that was created by Saturn, and bestowed upon Pallas by Saturn. This would be the Sword "Eternal Dance" which control time, and space, zero and infinity . Which could be translated as controling time, and space to an infinite degree. Note: Athena took this blow while being weakened.
Tarus Harbinger thought they were equal and fighting at a stalemate , until Seiya said Athena is weakened by the Ring whose name i can never spell right...
Essentially, Athena was always stronger than Pallas. Hence the need to drain her power and give it too Pallas. The plan was to have the 2 goddesses fight to the death and kill each other. However, Athena was still not weakened enough despite Saturn giving Pallas a super powerful Arsenal.
This could be a baseline 2-A feat for Pallas and Athena. they were Trading blows with each other, and mistaken to be equal, and so on.
____________________________________________________________________
Abzu has a few feats that are needed and he has a couple missing abilities.
Elemental manipulation (iirc he was the cause of the Saints new found power to manipulate the elements such as fire, water, air/wind, lightening, earth, darkness, and light)
since his host body was Kouga he should have the reactive evolution
He should be an abstract/conctupal being with Concept manipulation as well???
Power reduction/Power weakening?? (not for sure what to call it, but through his darkness power he can cause beings to weaken and make them incapable of using their full power or they kill themselves.)
Power/Attack Absorption. (He was going to absorb Athena and have her disappear inside himself.)
and with those out of the way....
with Athenas baseling 2-A feat above. Abzu did manage to break her armor, and weaken her significantly.
he also did create the Saint Seiya Omega "world" and Saint Seiya Omega (the writers) was extra careful to not use "Universe" alongside "world" as if they were separate and supposed to have different meanings??????
he should also not be MFTL+ but instead be Nigh Omniprescent he IS darkness, and was shown to become one with his darkness that was shown to be covering "everything."
his defeat was also brought about by miracles which is infinite power boost.
____________________________________________________________
I will talk about Mars, and Seiya at the same time.
Seiya has the 9th sense in omega . He shown it while fighting Mars, and while fighting Titan. He kept it active when fighting Saturn.
Base Seiya was stalemating Base Mars (Pre Darkness cosmo amp.)
9th sense Seiya was capable of landing a blow on Mars and break the stalemate.
After Darknes Cosmo amp, mars was capable of overwhelming Mars mostly due to power weakening/reduction with the darkness cosmo.
____________________________________________________________________
Cross Canon Implications? This is where the real debate begins. This dagger Seiya used to hurt Saturn was created by Cronus (NOT CHRONOS) in episode G.
if we refer to this chart here from the new official website. Everything is canon, and as you can see Omega is in the same Column as Episode G, and G Assassins. Which those 2 have many WoG statements of making them canon, and even 2 official Saint Seiya websites say that "Kurumada' is the writer, and "Okada" is the designer/Artist.
This is where i am unsure on this...
Full powered and Unsealed Cronus in his prime should be(????) >>>> Seiya at that moment when he hurt Saturn.
if so... This could scale to Zeus, and Typhon.
this is all i got for now... if there is any mistakes, spelling errors, grammar errors, broken links, or something confusing. Please, let me know so i can fix it.. Thank you.
[Edit] Changes the title from 5D AP Saggitarius Seiya and other 5th dimensioanls to the current title. title is subject to change more.
