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Saint Seiya anime character's missing powers'

Acausality looks to be Type 4 for Gods since Hades is the one in charge of things that involved death paradox. Gods look unaffected by this power as Athena's blood show.
 
Nedge1000 said:
Acausality looks to be Type 4 for Gods since Hades is the one in charge of things that involved death paradox. Gods look unaffected by this power as Athena's blood show.
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Also, the past definitio that Gods like Hades is closely associated with Type 4 Acausality.

Acausality is defined as the ability to exist outside of causality, or the natural flow of manipulation defined by cause and effect.

An entity that is acausal has no true beginning or end, and is thus essentially immune to offensive causality manipulation and time travel. Even if you go back in time and kill an acausal being in the past or prevent him/her/it from being born/created, it will still exist in the present and other timelines. Often, even if an acausal being is killed in the present, it can still survive by appearing from another timeline. Thus, acausal beings are very difficult to permanently destroy, often requiring the use of high-level reality warping.

Note: This page is based on Causality Immunity by the Superpower wiki.

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Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others

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Nedge1000 said:
Gods like Hades have Conceptual Manipulation before the page overhaul: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/index.php?title=Conceptual_Manipulation&diff=2651409&oldid=1470447 https://vsbattles.fandom.com/index.php?title=Hades_(Saint_Seiya)&diff=2098268&oldid=1644207
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That doesn't answer my question. And before the Conceptual Manipulation revisions, many characters that now have type 3 and 4 conceptual manipulation had it back then.

Same thing with Acausality. many characters who had it just because of TPI and Resistance to fate/causality manipulation had it.

If you really wanna give them those, you have to show actual evidence other than "they had it before the revisions".
 
Hades can manipulate the Concept of death? His prescence causes death to those around him. The only ones shown not effected are the Gold saints whom are likely protected by Athena, or their cloths. Those in Hades army, but they are controlled by his will, and those whom are protected by the blood of other gods.
 
Regarding Acausality, it is not really the case. It was only meant for characters that fulfilling the definition category. For other, time Paradox Immunity was added as a page.
 
Well for me the conceptual manipulation page is kinda confusing to understand... so idk what types it would fall under.. I am sorry..
 
Nedge1000 said:
Regarding Acausality, it is not really the case. It was only meant for characters that fulfilling the definition category. For other, time Paradox Immunity was added as a page.
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Doesn't matter: the causality page was very lackluster before, and as such, numerous characters had it from different reasons.

As such, you'd have to show actual feats of Acausality that Hades posseses to determine which type it is.
 
DMB 1, the acausality feat is already linked.

Lackluster or not, definitions are still the primary way to see if abilities feats qualified and they do.
 
I'm not talking about the abilities themselves. I'm talking about which type they fall into (type 3 or 2 conceptual manipulation, type 1 or 4 acausality etcetera).
 
The gods are indepent of time. https://imgur.com/71tG22b Changes to the past shouldn't effect them, and the saints are capable of resistanting changes in their Destiny by using their cosmo.

https://imgur.com/EWu7gzy

https://i.imgur.com/VtCnxww.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MyC5G5c.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VFokWRi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gBPTshJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/w4sLxqm.png

Shoko repeates Milo's words. https://imgur.com/kUcDXcb

and in G/Assasins the Gold saints of the past are resisting the correction in history passively by their cosmo. it is when their cosmo starts to weaken, waver, or they are drained when the affects are felt.

This should scale to the Gods too.

[Edit[ There is also a few statements of the Saints saying they will create their own future, or chose their own future.
 
The question is how can they manipulated what they embody? As concept, based on the evidence for Acausality above, they look to be Type 4 Acausal and so have transcendence of common reality. That would mean if they control their concepts then their Conceptual Manipulation would be Type 2 as opposed to Type 3.

2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Nedge1000 said:
Embodying something does always grant Conceptual Manipulation as i.e with Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Uxie, Rimuru Tempest, etc.
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Not always. Embodying something =/= having control over it, if you have control over it then it's conceptual manipulation.
As for the OP, yeah best to see what Matt thinks.
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I meant does "not" always as none of the characters that I have linked have Conceptual Manipulation. Sorry, for the mistakes.
 
Nedge1000 said:
The question is how can they manipulated what they embody?
As a concept, based on the evidence for Acausality above, they look to be Type 4 Acausal and so have transcendence of common reality. That would mean if they control their concepts then their Conceptual Manipulation would be Type 2 as opposed to Type 3.

2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.
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Abzu is darkness itself. he can manipulate darkness as well. He has shown to manipulate it

Saturn is the God of time, and has shown the ability to control the concept of time. He gave tokisada his power/upgrade and Tokisada word for word says "My Chronotector is beyond the concept of time."

Thanatos is the God of death and he has shown that he will someones life away from a distance.

Hades is the God of the Underworld, the underworld being a concept of "What happens after death" the Underworld fell apart when he died.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
@Nedge1000 Uh what? Being a type 4 acausal doesn't give you type 2 conceptual manipulation.
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That is not what I meant. My point was about some who embodying concepts.
 
We still need input from Matthew Schroeder, and preferably other Saint Seiya experts. I would appreciate if somebody can tell them that I would appreciate their input here.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Saint Seiya Omega is the Saint Seiya Spin-Off I know the least amount by a large margin.
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So, does it mean it is non-cannon?
 
The Causality said:
Honestly, it's better to make a Blog about this stuff, for now, Saint seiya revision are stopped until some peoples with Matt organize the revision of the entire verse.
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It's a necrothread lol. But I been planning to make a blog. Just that time has been hard get to do it recently.
 
The Causality said:
Honestly, it's better to make a Blog about this stuff, for now, Saint seiya revision are stopped until some peoples with Matt organize the revision of the entire verse.
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EmperorRorepme, another knowledgeable member, evaluated the CRT and most of it looks alright to him. A blog can help helps but we already have the CRT at about 120 message- not a lot- which just need a final evaluation to over.
 
If Matthew is unable to help out with this, I don't know if we will reach any form of conclusion.
 
It doesn't seem like Matthew will be able to help us out here. Perhaps you can ask the members listed in the Saint Seiya verse to comment here, particularly any staff.
 
Antvasima said:
It doesn't seem like Matthew will be able to help us out here. Perhaps you can ask the members listed in the Saint Seiya verse to comment here, particularly any staff.
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I'll send out some invites in about 12 or so hours lol. I have to go to work.. thank you though..
 
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