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Ashen One vs Kenshiro

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I'm prolly going to regret this one but it's too tempting.

Speed is equalised, we're going with 6-B for both so Kenshiro is using Tenryu Kokyu Ho. Standard Battle Assumptions otherwise

Ashen One - 0

Kenshiro - 0

Inconclusive - 7
 
Kenshiro erases, Ashen One stays dead because it's a no limits fallacy to assume they can comeback.
 
How is it NLF to assume resurrection resurrects you
 
Yeah that's not really an NLF. You can already rez from being killed by other ashen ones like friede which would take your souls, be rezzed without souls, etc. The body being more destroyed doesn't seem like it would matter.
 
So, ignoring the NLF-cries, what does Ken actually have to kill Ashen One
 
I thought Kenshiro won multiple matches doing that (probably should reread those), but is it really not a no limit fallacy to resurrect off something he has never shown to resurrect off before.
 
When did Kenshiro erase anyone. Because I must have missed that.
 
He hasn't resurrected from being killed with a frying pan either

He probably still can resurrect
 
You'll notice that the physical form of the PC does fade away when you die. With resurrection, I don't see why destroying the body any more would really stop rez.
 
PaChi2 said:
Frying pans negate high godly regen dood.
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Shin Megami Tensei Frying Pan Hidden Boss
 
I mean he has resurrected from pitch fork with is equally as ridiculous, anyways if it's not a no limits fallacy. Then I'll vote inconclusive Kenshiro just one pokes him over and over again till he dies of old age (which last time I checked is not a win condition for the opponent)
 
Outlasting actually is. I don't see what stops Ashen One from just, you know, using a shield to block him, or just hitting him, or magicing him, or any other ability.
 
Kinda wanna ask can Ashen One deal with Muso Tensei? From what I understand Kenshiro turns intangible with it.
 
Well now I feel stupid. Anyways I guess Kenshiro eventually gets tired and the Ashen One stabs him to death. Ashen for resurrection, and I think superior experience but I maybe wrong with that
 
Or poisons him.

Resisting poison is great but you can overcome that with just

moar poison

Ashen One has plenty of win-cons, Kenshiro has... what.
 
Ki can go through stuff, like that time it hit the back of a guy (And the pressure point of must I note) Kenshiro was fighting and then pulverized the rock

If the Ashen One doesn't die properly from the first few pokes, Ken's likely going to just sleep him. Either that or use Sorya Tenryu for a maybe permakill.
 
You can definitely hit ghosts in DS1. Don't remember if you could in 3, but I wouldn't doubt it. It's best to grab something specific though. The fact that they can already freely interact with souls should help.
 
Oh yeah, Muso Tensei allows him to just erase the poison method or space manipulate it, and activates whenever he's threatened.

Not quite a ghost, it's more just... nothingness. You can only really hit it if you have a way to hit nothing.
 
Being able to interact with souls is 100% enough

Especially considering you can actually kill Soul of Cinder who is just

a bunch of souls
 
Can someone help trying to find where it states Ashen can hit intangibles?

I'm kinda blinded by the long ass explanations
 
I'm trying to remember if there were any ghost enemies or whatever. There were in DS1 and 2 that you could hit, and it;d be really bizarre for 3 to not have something similar.
 
DMUA said:
Oh yeah, Muso Tensei allows him to just erase the poison method or space manipulate it, and activates whenever he's threatened.
Not quite a ghost, it's more just... nothingness. You can only really hit it if you have a way to hit nothing.
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Put Nonexistent Physiology on his page or the second bit is 100% false.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Being able to interact with souls is 100% enough
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Muso Tensei isn't him turning into a ghost.

It's just nothingness. There's a pretty distinct difference.

Aura is fighting spirit and blah blah

Muso Tensei is Muso Tensei
 
See my last post

And make a CRT

Coz that's a hefty claim
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Put Nonexistent Physiology on his page or the second bit is 100% false.
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Page is locked and okay I would if I could considering Muso tensei is all about that
 
Not necessarily. You can be "more intangible" than standard intangibles without NEP if the verse has people that can hit ghosts but not him, or something.

He still has to use this before being killed though, and even if he does it just forces an incon. Match may be a stomp due to rez.
 
To note, on the page it currently says it makes him intangible, which is great, and does mention nothingness, but that's not the same as him not existing. Nonexistent Physiology would make Ashen One be unable to affect Ken, that's 100% a fact.

But until it is decided to be that (CRT time?) then let's not make claims about things that are described differently on the profile.
 
Put Nonexistent Physiology on his page or the second bit is 100% false.

The second bit is 100% true. Read Muso Tensei's description.
 
I read it.

Intangibility.

Not Nonexistent Physiology.
 
It activates on instinct if he's unconcious or about to be killed, so that's kinda bound to happen

Besides, can Ashen one even instakill Ken like Ken can instakill or instaincap him?
 
Now I no longer feel dumb and am more confused, does someone have that popcorn eating clip on hand because if you do post it.
 
Actually

Uh

What does Ken scale to AP wise

and lemme dig up Ashen's AP
 
Parry -> Chaos dagger+Hornet Ring or Parry ->Yhorm's Machete/DSGA+Hornet Ring or some of the really strong magic spells and whatnot

How does Ashen One get incapped?
 
Wokistan said:
Parry -> Chaos dagger+Hornet Ring or Parry ->Yhorm's Machete/DSGA+Hornet Ring or some of the really strong magic spells and whatnot
How does Ashen One get incapped?
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I mean

Physical EE would incap they just get resurrected immediately
 
Kenshiro has several pressure point moves that incap, one makes them go to sleep and another makes them pass out and lose their memory of what happened.

Ken is scaled from being 170% more powerful then base which is 170% more powerful then a very high end High 6-C

Basically baseline
 
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