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Ultra Sonic vs True Enerjak
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ShakeResounding
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Oh shit... I need to think this one over for a bit.
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I also wonder if True Enerjak's mindhax would make a difference. Because while Sonic did resist Enerjak's mindhax, that was pretty much a infinitely small piece of his scattered essence, which is still enough to corrupt Chaos Knuckles.
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He actually does since he resisted Enerjak's mindhax in base, which means Sonic has really good resistance, though would it be enough to handle True Enerjak as he's more powerful than the avatars and thus should have his mindhax upscaled to that degree? Maybe not.AlexZiggy said:
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Knux FRA
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Hm, I wonder why.
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Fate Manip is negated by Type 4 Acausality, Holy Manip is already resisted by the Avatars alone, Sonic can't get past True Enerjak's Abstract Existance due to resisting Conceptual Manip. I don't think Dimensional BFR would work either, I'm not sure.
The thing is that Base Sonic alone resists a fair amount of the hax from Enerjak's avatars pretty well, and we're using Sonic's strongest form here. I also don't think that True Enerjak can permanently take down Sonic due to his Type 8 Immortality. Weirdly enough, unless it needs to get added, True Enerjak/Avatars don't seem to resist time manipulation. He also doesn't seem to resist Matter Manipulation either, though in Ultra, Sonic mostly uses it for barriers. His Holy Manip could actually do something here when you consider that the Avatars were being weakened, although not by much. Still, as little as it may help, it will still help.
Another thing here, and what I could see giving Sonic a major edge here, is prior knowledge. Sonic probably knows brute force isn't going to work here and knows that True Enerjak is a serious threat. There's a good chance that Sonic will know to cut the crap here.
I'm going inconclusive.
The thing is that Base Sonic alone resists a fair amount of the hax from Enerjak's avatars pretty well, and we're using Sonic's strongest form here. I also don't think that True Enerjak can permanently take down Sonic due to his Type 8 Immortality. Weirdly enough, unless it needs to get added, True Enerjak/Avatars don't seem to resist time manipulation. He also doesn't seem to resist Matter Manipulation either, though in Ultra, Sonic mostly uses it for barriers. His Holy Manip could actually do something here when you consider that the Avatars were being weakened, although not by much. Still, as little as it may help, it will still help.
Another thing here, and what I could see giving Sonic a major edge here, is prior knowledge. Sonic probably knows brute force isn't going to work here and knows that True Enerjak is a serious threat. There's a good chance that Sonic will know to cut the crap here.
I'm going inconclusive.
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</div> He actually does since he resisted Enerjak's mindhax in base, which means Sonic has really good resistance, though would it be enough to handle True Enerjak as he's more powerful than the avatars and thus should have his mindhax upscaled to that degree? Maybe not. </div> Right nvm then.
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It's the second key.MYHERO said:
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Enerjak can bypass Sonic's type 8 with his own conceptual manipulation.
Matter manipulation and time manipulation won't work on an type 1 abstract who exists outside the multiverse's space-time so those aren't a factor.
But also while Enerjak resists conceptual manipulation, the Chaos Force still got erased.
@MYHERO Dimitri and Knuckles have the same statistics.
Matter manipulation and time manipulation won't work on an type 1 abstract who exists outside the multiverse's space-time so those aren't a factor.
But also while Enerjak resists conceptual manipulation, the Chaos Force still got erased.
@MYHERO Dimitri and Knuckles have the same statistics.
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I was not, but also I kinda was 
Edit: I do wonder why in a way, but I also kinda know.
Edit: I do wonder why in a way, but I also kinda know.
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@MYHERO I'm assuming you're voting for Enerjak?
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From your revisions, his Concept Manip is probably just a part of his basic beams and attacks and such, right? Time and Matter Manipulation is out of the game, so fair enough.
My points still stand on Sonic's mentality, if nothing else. he knows how much of a threat this fight is, so I dont think he'll start off with his usual brute force. Not only that, but Ultra Sonic has still been shown to use barriers to protect himself from attacks. That, and the Holy Manip would probably still have some effect. Still going inconclusive here, although it does seem to be a tough spot for Sonic.
My points still stand on Sonic's mentality, if nothing else. he knows how much of a threat this fight is, so I dont think he'll start off with his usual brute force. Not only that, but Ultra Sonic has still been shown to use barriers to protect himself from attacks. That, and the Holy Manip would probably still have some effect. Still going inconclusive here, although it does seem to be a tough spot for Sonic.
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Yeah, basic Chaos Energy attacks can damage concepts.
Vote counted.
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Sign me up for incon as well.
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Guess I will go inconclusive here as well
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I... Have Ascended.
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Oh god
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Praise lord Shakey
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