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Scooby Doo 6C downgrade

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I'm going to be honest and just make this as much as I dislike downgrading

The 6C feat for Scooby Dio is not only an outlier, but also in and of itself questionable

The feat https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D8kg5q20oFc Is an EXTREMELY vague "Earth trembled" line, which indicates nothing of how the volcano was caused, if they caused it, or even how they did.

Second, this feat is never ever supported by other feats as literally every other feat, including the 8C+ feat they previously scaled too. Is either that or lower

These aren't casual feats either as they are visibly hurt by these feats.

TLDR 6C feat is questionable to even be a feat to begin with and contradicts everything else in verse
 
The 6-C feat comes from a single movie where the feat isn't even performed by Scooby and Shaggy. It's performed by the Black Samurai, who doesn't scale to any other feats.

And to be fair, if memeory serves me, Shaggy and Scooby were powered up by some mystical armour when they fought the Samurai.
 
It wasn't even performed by the black samurai, the feat happened before the clash that supposedly caused the feat in the first place
 
Ohh, alrighty then.

8-C is pretty questionable too, since lightning feats are iffy. I guess downgrading them down to 9-B is the safest option?
 
9-B is downplay. The Black Samurai blacked out Tokyo just by releasing a bit of his power, which is a casual tier 8 feat. The Green Dragon's KE was also calc'ed at 8-C by me.
 
Well, it seems like a downgrade is in order then. I always found the current Scooby-Doo ratings exaggerated.
 
Sir Ovens said:
And to be fair, if memeory serves me, Shaggy and Scooby were powered up by some mystical armour when they fought the Samurai.
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This is wrong, there is nothing supporting that the armor is mystical.

Kepekley23 said:
He had the Sword of Fate.
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The sword had the soul of the Green Dragon on it, don't know if it would be considered an actual amplification.

And let me begin with my points.

Black Samurai has a cloud creating feat (Which was never calculated because no one wanted to do so, is even on that damned thread of calculating stuff, maybe not the current one, but it was in more than one thread)

Black Samurai and Green Dragon also have a world shaking statement (Yeah, the one you are complaining in the OP) Whose low end is pretty close to the current tally for our 6-C ratings

We also have the tornado feat on Scooby Doo and the Werewolf.

All those damn ghosts with universe creating/warping feats (Mirror universe, for those interested, not like it would actually scale for any member of Mystery Inc, maybe speed, since they reacted to mirror and light)

There is also the low 7-C feat on the Scooby Doo team ups which was said no to because something something, Flash is fast or whatever.

There is also the whole 'we defeated a guy who could destroy planets with song' feat on the movie with the sailor moon KISS (And I am not ******** on you guys)
 
Currently making an CRT for abilities that were forgotten to be added, just newly introduced and correction of some stuff that were most likely wrong.
 
> Black Samurai has a cloud creating feat (Which was never calculated because no one wanted to do so, is even on that damned thread of calculating stuff, maybe not the current one, but it was in more than one thread)

Does he?

The Sword of Fate is directly stated to be a mystical and supernatural blade in the Black Samurai lore. It's the only sword in the Scooby Doo universe that can match the Samurai's power.
 
Kepekley23 said:
> Black Samurai has a cloud creating feat (Which was never calculated because no one wanted to do so, is even on that damned thread of calculating stuff, maybe not the current one, but it was in more than one thread)
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That's literally on the video that the OP is using as reasoning for why they shouldn't be 6-C actually.

Go to 1:25 of the video, just from being reborn as the Black Samurai, he pretty much created all the clouds on the background (They are cumulonimbus if you want to know, since you know, the lightning and storm and all that)

The Sword of Fate is directly stated to be a mystical and supernatural blade in the Black Samurai lore. It's the only sword in the Scooby Doo universe that can match the Samurai's power.

Isn't like, those plot moments? Idk, I am ok with the whole sword thing, but Shaggy and Scooby physically pushed the Black Samurai away with their own strength, so there is that.
 
So can somebody remind me of the conclusions so far here?
 
6-C is being removed, the Black Samurai has a tier 8 feat that needs to be calced that would only scale to Shaggy when he was amped by the Sword of Fate
 
WeeklyBattles said:
6-C is being removed, the Black Samurai has a tier 8 feat that needs to be calced that would only scale to Shaggy when he was amped by the Sword of Fate
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What?

The tier 8 feat was a KE feat made by Green Dragon, first of all.

Second of all, Green Dragon and Black Samurai have Two 6-C calculated feats, one which is a statement that goes close to the second feat which Kep have calculated.

There is still a uncalculated cloud creating feat that should be made before anything else (Because I recognize that the results should support the 6-C rating)

Shaggy was kicked by Black Samurai twice and he was only pushed back with an oof, is right here.

6-C being removed is the argument of the OP, but nothing was concluded yet Weekly
 
Antvasima said:
So can somebody remind me of the conclusions so far here?
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Nothing much, some arguments about the Sword of Fate being Amplification (Which I am not sure since it could be just a plot point and all that), discussion about said 6-C feats.

The main flaw against the OP argument is pretty much

Second, this feat is never ever supported by other feats as literally every other feat, including the 8C+ feat they previously scaled too. Is either that or lower.

Which is a lie, because they have three feats around tier 6 (Most cloud feats are around that level, so I am counting that when calculated, that will also be around the same tiering as the other two)

These aren't casual feats either as they are visibly hurt by these feats.

Who is hurt by these feats? Black Samurai is an immortal samurai and the dragon doesn't show any fatigue or pain.

The only one who showed some level of pain was Shaggy when he 'oofed' after being kicked twice in the guts by the Black Samurai.
 
Most storm feats are around 7-B. That cloud in the video doesn't look remotely big enough, and he'd have to create it at insane speeds to get 6-C, and with the new downgrades, creating clouds/storms is much lower unless physically moved.
 
Lightbuster30 said:
Most storm feats are around 7-B. That cloud in the video doesn't look remotely big enough, and he'd have to create it at insane speeds to get 6-C, and with the new downgrades, creating clouds/storms is much lower unless physically moved.
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Well, he still have two 6-C feats even then.

I don't mind them getting around 7-B, but saying that they need to go back to 8-C+ or 9-B is atrocious.

Now if only we could scale them from Flash feat, but that's another story

by the way, can anyone check the thread I made for missing abilities? Here
 
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