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Sans (Undertale) vs. Demigra (Dragon Ball Xenoverse)

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Sans feels a disturbance in the timelines. He goes check the disturbance and discovers a certain Demon God destroying timelines in order to make his own. Sans decides to show him a BAD TIME.

Round 1: Sans vs. Base Demigra

Round 2: Sans vs. Demon God Demigra

Both rounds have Speed equalized.

No prior knowledge

Location: An indestructible white void

Starts off at 100m away from each other

Who wins and why?


Sans
Sans

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Xenoverse demigra by eymsmiley-d8nowmb
Demigra
 
Speed equalized could go either way I'd assume, both have hax that could one shot, but not equalized Demigra should be faster and take it due to speed imo, he would get the first shot off basically. Albeit I don't know Undertale well and am strictly going off what his profile says so I may be missing something.
 
It pretty much goes down on how many people Demigra has killed. However, the timeline thing..? Oh, if the kill count doesn't reset, then Sans MIGHT take this. However, I'm not entirely too sure, because the fact Sans and Beerus are currently inconclusive when fighting each other.

EDIT: Round one almost most certainly goes to Sans. Round two is the problem.
 
Well, Sans repeatedly beat a Multiversal enemy (Chara) multiple times. And in each SAVE for Chara, damage still remained consistent for very fight, so the same can possibly be true for Demigra's case.

I think one of the main reasons Beerus vs. Sans is still inconclusive is because the massive speed difference (MFTL+ vs. Relativistic+), so I equalized Speed to make it a more fair fight.
 
It is unknown what exactly happened 75 million years ago but as far as I remember, Demigra never killed anyone. He intended to kill everybody and indirectly led to deaths in alternate timelines but he himself didn't kill even a single person.
 
@CuriousWatcher

Considering his plan was to DESTROY time itself, and erasing several countless timelines, which contain COUNTLESS lives in each, pretty sure his kill count is pretty high.
 
@ MarvelFanatic119

It was only his plan and he failed, I don't know if Sans considers evil intent. When he was freed from the crak of time, before he could do any damage, he was killed by the PC and Goku.

I've checked but when he was active 75 millions year ago there is no history of him fighting anyone except Chronoa the Supreme Kai of Time and she is safe.
 
@CuriousWatcher

I'm pretty sure Sans considers that. One of the reasons Sans fights Chara is because they are messing up the timeline, something Demigra was doing. Pretty sure that counts.

Also, even after his death, Demigra created wormholes that caused rips in the fabric of space time. Demigra also manipulated the Future Warrior and Future Trunks into doing his work for him and then tried to kill them off with the Supreme Kai of Time. Demigra is a stereotypical villain, not caring what damage he'll do so long as he gets what he wants, just like Chara.

Sans' Karmic Retribution does more damage the more pain someone commited to others, as well as sins. Considering Demigra manipulated and mind controlled people and attempted to wipe out Time itself to make it in his own image (similar to how Chara wanted to "erase" everything in the Undertale verse), pretty sure that's a big no no for Sans.

That's like saying a Policeman can't arrest someone who attempted murder because "eh, he didn't kill him in the end, so he can go away scott free." I don't think that's how it works :/

Sans profile says: "only fought in the genocide route, where he believes you to be a threat to all other timelines"

So Sans has no problem dunking on Demigra then.
 
.... Demigra just swings his staff and Sans becomes mind controlled. Sans nor any character in Undertale has shown any resistance to mind control
 
Xantospoc said:
.... Demigra just swings his staff and Sans becomes mind controlled. Sans nor any character in Undertale has shown any resistance to mind control
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What are the details of Demigra's Mind control, though?

Some types of Mind control would technically not work on Sans based on what he is...
 
R1: Depends on if Demigra tries mind control and said mind control works.

R2: Not sure. Leaning towards Sans due to Demigra Final focusing much more on simply brutalizing his opponent with raw power, which is the absolute worst strategy against Sans.
 
Sans wins due speed being equalized... Karmic Retribution is going to screw up Demigra's durability.

Demigra won't be able to land a blow either due that equalization.
 
697086 said:
Sans wins due speed being equalized... Karmic Retribution is going to screw up Demigra's durability.

Demigra won't be able to land a blow either due that equalization.
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However hypothetically with speed at normal values Demigra would win imo, would you agree? If this is added to victories/losses the speed really should be it's normal value in which case Demigra blitz.
 
Demigra, Karmic Retrubition doesn't count evil intent and Demigra has some rather nice hax
 
SSJRyu1 said:
However hypothetically with speed at normal values Demigra would win imo, would you agree? If this is added to victories/losses the speed really should be it's normal value in which case Demigra blitz.
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Demigra doesn't really blitz in character. That's the same reason Sans is capable of killing Beerus and why the match is inconclusive.
 
Demigra doesn't really blitz in character. That's the same reason Sans is capable of killing Beerus and why the match is inconclusive.

Oh in character, fair enough. But if it is in character Demigra even immediately absorbed toki toki and tried to destroy everything the minute he escaped, so I think if in character he will likely still make the first move and still blitz, especially if this is his demon god form, as he doesn't toy with his foes like Beerus does and is out for blood right away in that form. Of course this is assuming we aren't equalizing speed.
 
Nah, I'm still keeping Speed equalized. Making it more fair. Besides, Sans and other characters have wins that have Speed equalized in this site, if I'm not mistaken.
 
For those who think Karmic Retribution won't hurt Demigra, this is from Sans' profile:

  • Karmic Retribution -- Less an attack on its own and more an added ability on top of all Sans' other attacks, Karmic Retribution causes Sans' opponent increasing amounts of damage depending on how many people they have hurt. It essentially functions as poison damage for one's soul.
So it still works if you hurt someone, even if you didn't kill anyone. Also, during the Chara fight, it says "You feel your sins crawling on your back." So possibly sins can count as well. And considering what Demigra did in Xenoverse, I'm sure he has a significant amount. Though that's just my interpretation on how KR works. I can be wrong about that.

So now, it's:

Sans: 4 (I assume CuriousWatcher's comment is counted, the one about Demigra's kill count, could be wrong)

Demigra: 4

Can go either way: 1

This is pretty neck to neck. Anyone else?
 
MarvelFanatic119 said:
Nah, I'm still keeping Speed equalized. Making it more fair. Besides, Sans and other characters have wins that have Speed equalized in this site, if I'm not mistaken.
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Ehh, but I think we know Demigra would likely win with it not equalized, at minimum it should be stated he would if it weren't equalized even if sans were given the win. Also I think SomebodyData voted for Demigra, as opposed to sans.
 
MarvelFanatic119 said:
For those who think Karmic Retribution won't hurt Demigra, this is from Sans' profile:
  • Karmic Retribution -- Less an attack on its own and more an added ability on top of all Sans' other attacks, Karmic Retribution causes Sans' opponent increasing amounts of damage depending on how many people they have hurt. It essentially functions as poison damage for one's soul.
So it still works if you hurt someone, even if you didn't kill anyone. Also, during the Chara fight, it says "You feel your sins crawling on your back." So possibly sins can count as well. And considering what Demigra did in Xenoverse, I'm sure he has a significant amount. Though that's just my interpretation on how KR works. I can be wrong about that.
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Sorry but no. If that was true after each timeline after Genocide it would have Sans immediately fighting Chara, which is obviously not the case. I would suggest you don't count the votes under that false pretext
 
SSJRyu1 said:
Ehh, but I think we know Demigra would likely win with it not equalized, at minimum it should be stated he would if it weren't equalized even if sans were given the win. Also I think SomebodyData voted for Demigra, as opposed to sans.
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That's why I equalized Speed. It would be too easy. Also I believed I counted SomebodyData's vote on Demigra.
 
SomebodyData said:
Sorry but no. If that was true after each timeline after Genocide it would have Sans immediately fighting Chara, which is obviously not the case. I would suggest you don't count the votes under that false pretext
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Are you talking about KR or something? I don't know the point you are making here. If it's about the kill count in CuriousWatcher's comment, I mean he agrees KR would work, not Demigra's kill count being "unlimited". Which I thought meant he was going for Sans. My apologies for the misunderstanding. Though that did happen in the Genocide timeline. Chara died repeatedly to Sans and LOADed right back to their last SAVE point in that period of time (presumably the one in Judgment Hall). The damage against them was pretty consistent when fighting Sans. This kept on and on until Chara finally kills Sans. The reason Chara doesn't fight Sans again after that is because Chara destroyed the Genocide timeline, then took the Player's SOUL to reset everything. So the Sans there no longer exists. Not to mention I doubt Demigra was sealed away for several million years for minor crimes. Though I will remove that one in CuriousWatcher in Sans' votes. Thanks for pointing it out.

So It's now:

Sans: 3

Demigra: 4

Can go either way: 1

Now Demigra has the lead, anyone else have an opinion on this?
 
I believe Sans wins with speed equalized due to KR, as Demigra has done harm to many people and wasn't sealed away for millions of years for no reason, he clearly did something evil. What he was planning to do was in a way the same goal as Chara, to destroy everything. I don't really see how he won't just lose to KR here.

Speed not equalized Demigra blitzes.
 
If speed was equalized, with preperation, Demigra is a 2-C character, while Chara, the character who Sans killed several times, potentially an endless amount of times ((Dependant on a variable outside of the game, the actual players choice.)) And Chara is labelled as a 2-B character, and the only reason Sans lost to Chara is because of a game mechanic, not story, a game mechanic, given if Sans had the same mechanic, Sans would continousally beat Chara. But that's off topic, A 2-B character is stronger than a 2-C character and if at best and with prep, Demigra is a 2-C, but at regular, he is a 4-A, and at topic of no prior knowledge or prep, he is a 4-A, so, Sans takes it if speed is equalized, but, I'm unsure on San's durability, he never is shown dying after getting hit by Chara, who is a 2-B while Demigra is a 2-C, so, even then, if he can survive a hit from Chara and still being able to move, I think Sans could use Karmatic Retribution and considering the evil that Demigra has done, would probably take a few seconds at best to kill him, might be an over exaggeration, something else that's worth mentioning, San's speed is labelled as not only relativistic, it's labelled as Instantaneous as well, which could be considered Infinite Speed, which is higher than MTFL+ which is what Demigra is.
 
Sans is only infinite with teleportation, which is limited by his Relativistic+ reactions.
 
MarvelFanatic119 said:
Speed is Equalized in both Rounds, just to let you know.
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I think I can see reasoning to say sans could possibly win with speed equalized if intent to do evil counts, although I think Demigra could one shot as well still, but realistically should you not have them given there regular stats if your planning to add it to profiles? Or at bare minimum mention speed has to be equalized for sans to win, otherwise he likely gets blitzed.
 
Also, another reason why I have Speed equalized is that I want a definite winner. I don't want a thread with 300+ replies and counting and no verdict has been reached.
 
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