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Not only did Ash defeat Darkrai, but it's also important to highlight he defeated two Pokémon of a trainer that has thus far been undefeated throughout the entirety of Sinnoh since nobody managed to discover any other Pokémon beyond his first one, Darkrai, as nobody even managed to defeat his Darkrai in the first place.Jawsome274 said:Ash FRA, although Darkrai had to deal with half of Ash's team before his Sceptile, so Darkrai was a pretty easy win.
If Red is allowed to use potions during battle, so is Ash and Ash has more experience dealing with surviving strong Pokémon attacks than Red has (even when that's not really reflected in his durability on VBW but throughout the show he has been struck by various Pokémon attacks yet lives on so that says something).Fireblast966 said:Red actually using items(hold ones and potions) might actually mean something, depending on how close this battle will be, which I am not sure.
Seeing as they're both Pokemon Trainers, they'd likely assume that they were having an actual battle. So likely 1v1.Fireblast966 said:Ash doesnt use items in-character during a battle though. Also he uses held items like AV for Snorlax or weakness berries which might make up for the power difference. Again, not sure who wins here, just presenting something to argue.
Is this straight up 6 vs 6 or normal 1 vs 1 team battle?
Also, Ash's current lifting strength is hilarious to me.
That's because anime battles follow a different rule set when it comes to their battling, but I don't see Ash refrainig from using hold items or potions if those were allowed -- but they are implictly not allowed and hold items have never shown the same importace or property as they do in the games besides evolution.Fireblast966 said:Ash doesnt use items in-character during a battle though. Also Red uses held items like AV for Snorlax or weakness berries which might make up for the power difference. Again, not sure who wins here, just presenting something to argue.
Is this straight up 6 vs 6 or normal 1 vs 1 team battle?
Also, Ash's current lifting strength is hilarious to me.
Pikachu vs Latios actually ended in a draw.CryoTheMayo said:Ash's Pikachu has also defeated a Regice and Latios solo.
One of the problems ash has is all of his pokemon are somehow countered by Reds. Charzard has the advantage agains heracross, and sceptile. Greninja lost against a pokemon it had a type advantage to, so Pikachu would wreck it. Infernape would be countered by Poliwrath, who took down a electrabuzz to strong for a electric gym leader to take down. Pikachu would then have to take them all down, and then the areodactle, who has supper effective moves.CryoTheMayo said:Ash walks up to Red and smashes him through a wall.
Okay but no really. Many of the feats in the anime are better than ingame feats with Ash's pokemon generally being stronger than their forms would be in the games. Pikachu would completely crush Red's Pikachu considering that little thing has taken on Rhydon, Regice, Latios and took down two pseudo legends in a row (Tyranitar and Metagross at that) then took on a Charizard (that fought Zygarde in Mega X form and has defeated an E4 Mega).
Sceptile in itself defeated a Darkrai (albeit after that Darkrai fought numerous other pokemon) but is also the ONLY Pokemon in all of Sinnoh to beat it. I would have to go back and check but I'm pretty sure it's also stated that the Battle Frontier brains are stronger than the Kanto Elite 4 and Sceptile was heavily present in the frontier story.
Charizard has defeated an Articuno and curbstomped a Dragonite. I'm not a big anime fan but I do seem to recall a lot of people hyping him as Ash's overall strongest pokemon due to numerous feats he has had and I do seem to recall a few years back seeing he was still among Ash's strongest.
Ash-Greninja fought toe to toe with Charizard X which has fought and defeated MANY Mega Pokemon and has fought numerous legendaries (notably it went toe to toe with Zygarde) and even defeated an E4 Mega ace. This would all indicate Ash-Greninja is E4-level.
Infernape is rated on the same scale as everyone above due to its numerous feats and absurd Blaze ability.
Heracross...Well it fought freaking Darkrai so it's obviously up there. It has plenty of feats in the Sinnoh league and Silver Conference to back it up in this fight. (I would elaborate but I don't want to make this post too long)
Generally speaking, this team is E4-level. Pikachu is also amped by it's extremely powerful Z-Moves and all of these pokemon are used by a more competent and experienced Ash (XY and SM are both around the same skill level from what I have seen). The E4 is FAR more dangerous than the game version as well considering they actively fight legendary pokemon (who are treated as continental to planetary threats generally) and most E4 members curbstomp Ash's regional teams. Champions are a vast step up from even that. So yeah, overall I give this to Ash.
I might switch my vote to Red if someone provides some feats for Games!Red.
My bad. This dosn't seem to change the results for me. Snorlax is a better option than poliwrath, being a tank, and having rediculous health. Laparas would still take down infenape, then Snorlax would take down pikachu with sheer health and attack power.Calaca Vs said:Are you aware that this is Videogame Red, right? I did a match with Manga Red vs Ash.
No, just no. Pikachu was defeat by Alain's normal Charizard (High 6-C) which in Mega Charizard X was one-shotted by Primal Groudon Pinacle Blades who is vastly weaker than Zygarde 50% in 5-B, and the Zygarde 50% which Mega Mewtwo fought was absorbed Xerneas and Yveltal and not 50% normalCryoTheMayo said:Mega Charizard fought Zygarde (who is arguably stronger than Mewtwo)