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Question on Durability Negation
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It's more similar to the first two methods of Dura negation listed on our page for it, where it bypasses outside defenses like shields, barriers and resistances.
A while back I had gotten some of the SMT pages to say something along the lines of "bypasses additional defenses" rather than negates durability, but that has never stuck.
A while back I had gotten some of the SMT pages to say something along the lines of "bypasses additional defenses" rather than negates durability, but that has never stuck.
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Seems like Almighty is a bit overestimated in general...? I've seen people claim it can bypass SMT's OP Type 8 immortality, when it's something limited to Observation.
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Almighty Attacks aren't Durability Negation, they are Resistance Negation. This has been agreed ages ago
I really wonder who began to spread that notion.Saikou The Lewd King said:
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For a long time I thought they were Durability Negation that bypasses all defenses and resitances, good thing to know they only bypasses resistances.
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They can bypass stuff like magical barriers, so it's durability negation in the same way using a thread to bypass armor is (this is an example on our Dura negation page) but it isn't in the general sense.
I haven't been on enough vs debates to see stuff like what Saikou mentioned, but I do agree that it's overestimated, it's often treated like an insta-win button in the threads I see.
I haven't been on enough vs debates to see stuff like what Saikou mentioned, but I do agree that it's overestimated, it's often treated like an insta-win button in the threads I see.
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Honestly I've seen way too many claims of being able to bypass SMT's Type 8 going around.
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Bascally, imagine you are a dude with an armor: A knife would hurt you much less that usual, but an Allmighty attack would damage you just as much as it would if you weren't wearing an armor.
However, it doesn't bypass natural durability, so an 8-C Allmighty attack wouln't do jack to you if you were a 3-A:
However, it doesn't bypass natural durability, so an 8-C Allmighty attack wouln't do jack to you if you were a 3-A:
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Funny enough, I was reading up on Almighty attacks earlier to familiarize myself with it, as I was confused too. I even have the tab still up. Think of Almighty attacks like you would they Psychic- type in Pokémon back in Gen 1. No one else can resist it.
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Well, apparently not, since every single mention of Almighty attacks in every SMT page I've visited so far has it listed as Durability Negation. That's why I brought this up in the first place, since as far as I know, it's closer to Resistance Negation like you said.Ultima Reality said:
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Well, to be fair, some Almighty attacks can specifically drain the enemy, such as Life Drain or Soul Drain, or their energy, such as Spirit Drain or Energy Drain. So these would at least negate dura to some exent.
In addition, they not only bypass resistances, but they cannot be Nulled, Replled and/or Drained by the enemy (though there is one specific skill that I know that is capable of repelling them).
In addition, they not only bypass resistances, but they cannot be Nulled, Replled and/or Drained by the enemy (though there is one specific skill that I know that is capable of repelling them).
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Yeah, what DMB said, it essentially bypasses resistances, bariers, reflection/drains, and other special defenses. But it definitely doesn't deal with immortality or stuff like that, for instance immortal characters like Beldr in DeSu are fine after getting hit by them.
The accurate wording is used on Abel's page, where it's listed as "Almighty attacks that bypass all barriers" in powers and abilities, and listed to "bypass magical defenses" in his notable techniques.
The accurate wording is used on Abel's page, where it's listed as "Almighty attacks that bypass all barriers" in powers and abilities, and listed to "bypass magical defenses" in his notable techniques.
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I know. But if people think that it bypasses high godly type 8 immortality, then it failing to deal with something far less impressive like Beldr's is kinda damning.
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