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Would this count as Conceptual Manipulation?

Dust_Collector

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"Capable of altering the essence of all things"

Is this statement good enough for any type of Conceptual Manipulation or not?
 
It isn't. You need evidence of altering abstractions, not just the things themself.
 
I mean, it's described as being something different from RW, and the definition of essence is basically our type 4 concept manipulation.

"the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, which determines its character." dictionary.
 
So does anyone else besides TriforcePower have any objections to the Triforce having its Conceptual Manipulation removed then?
 
So is more input needed or am I good to go on removing Conceptual Manipulation from the Triforce?
 
I mean, if enough people disagree with the reasoning on this thread than it doesn't really matter, but I guess I'll make a CRT in a minute anyway.
 
well the concept of time, death and distants did not affect the triforce in anyways tbf i mean the triforce can kill anything it wants just by wishing it (when SS Link made a wish to kill demise it did) link aslso left the full triforce a hundred plus years in the past while he was in the present and was fighting demise in his own personal dimension also attp brought everyone back to life
 
Also it was abble to manipulate fate in wind waker the king of red lions made a wish for zelda and link to win (after ganondorf blitz the hell out of him) also made a wish for them to find a new hyrule and mind you a whole freaking continent just pop on the map also it sank old hyrule thats like 3 wishes obviously the triforce isnt limited by how many wishes it can make plus it was able to alter laws of physics of both the sacred realm and lorule Concept Alteration seems to fit more the triforce it also seem to have the concept of destruction and some for of concept of creation
 
The Triforce "manipulating fate" in Wind Waker isn't accepted here because rhe whole speech the King of Hyrule made was deemed too vague to justify the Triforce having fate manipulation. Also it never altered the physics of the Sacred Realm or Lorule.
 
Dust Collector said:
The Triforce "manipulating fate" in Wind Waker isn't accepted here because rhe whole speech the King of Hyrule made was deemed too vague to justify the Triforce having fate manipulation. Also it never altered the physics of the Sacred Realm or Lorule.
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Nah, the thing never ended. I'm probably going to repost that someday
 
It turned the sacred realm or full of light in a world of darkness where only monsters could survive and anything else gets killed or transmuted or just goes insane
 
@Triforce I could've sworn it ended. I must of misrembered then. I still still think what the king said should at least give "possible Fate Manipulation" if not enough people agree for straight up fate manipulation.
 
I also agree that this is incredibly vague. Imo you can't use "essence" as proof of conceptual manipulation. Altering a concept doesn't just change that one thing, it changes all things that are an object of it.
 
Concept Alteration: The ability to manipulate, alter, or change concepts. By using this ability, concepts themselves can be changed in a variety of ways. The concept can have have an object added to it, an object taken from it, or change the current principle of the concept. If a concept is changed, the world is altered in some way to fit this new conceptual definition, though the extent of this varies by the type of concept being manipulated.


But thats what happend to the dark world and lorule the wgole point of both games was to get back the tf to restore things and kill ganondorf.
 
I'm aware of what the page says; I wrote it. What indicates that a conceptual abstract was manipulated in what you posted, specifically?
 
Ganondorf rewrote both realms in his own image by altering how the SR and Lorule worked by adding artifacts in the SR via a wish from the the triforce it corrupted all of it and the lore said that no mortal or demons, evil or whatever could enter the sacred realm but the triforce bypassed that and it was locked away by hyrules dieties.


But if guys says that tf has no conceptual abilities i might give up since you guys seem for knowledgable on it.


But i have to ask "wishes" what do they classies has.


Do they count as reality warping? And also the TF should at least have fate manip.
 
I'm going to do the fate manip thread in 1/2 weeks.

If the statement isn't Concept manip, what is it then? I doubt it's RW as that thing is separated by the whole "wishing" thing.
 
Bruh you can't just go "It's not Wish Granting so clearly it must be conceptual manip". It just plainly isn't conceptual manip and without any concrete proofs of what it means, we're just left to ignore it.
 
So the lore says it has but it is too vague for us to accept it ar this point i thnnk we should leave it be and spend this time to round up more info on the subjec also gather other people who are more knowledgeable about the in's and out of the triforce
 
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