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Unicron Vs Vecna

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Okay. Let's discuss this. I dunno much about Transformers but I'll try to be as impartial as possible.

Seems relevant to insert this. It isn't complete, but it is proof of everything Vecna should be able to resist pretty easily.

Vecna:

+ Probability hax means every opportunity that can go right for Vecna will go right for Vecna

+ Precognition means Vecna automatically has prep time, so to speak- can perceive events weeks in advance so long as they affect Vecna or his sphere of influence (like his followers or the concepts he embodies)

+ Probably an AP advantage, considering he was able to briefly counter a hugely restricted Lady of Pain, who just flat out oneshots baseline 2-As

+ BFR means sending him away is an option

+ M I N D H A X

+ Negs a lot of abilities including existence erasure and mind manipulation

Unicron:

+ Nonexistence makes it very difficult for Vecna to actually kill him

+ Gets stronger by the same abilities Vecna uses

+ B I G B O Y E

+ Probably a more skilled fighter if it comes down to it

Moot Points:

  • Unicron's Type 8 relies on evil and malice existing in the multiverse. But with Multiversal AP, that's negged.
  • Both can alter reality to their will, evens out
  • Both have the same regen (Mid-Godly), so while this advantage isn't negated, it isn't an advantage for either one
  • Both embody concepts and can manipulate them, not really much to say here.
  • To keep it brief, a lot of abilities are shared among them
Verdict:

Vecna for now. Vecna cannot kill Unicron, since he doesn't counter Mid-Godly Regen or Nonexistence. But he can interact with ideas and abstracts and all that, and should be able to BFR or Mind Manip Unicron. Basically he's got a lot that can incap Unicron while Unicron has little that can incap Vecna, and neither has a way to kill the other.
 
That AP is closer then you think. Unicron doesn't even notice the existence of people above baseline like The Fallen
 
1. Unicron has Type 8 on the profile. No Type 9.

2. Again, doesn't matter. Neither can kill each other, but only one can viably incap out the other.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
The fallen are 1-B and he scales in his true form, at least I thought. And Vecna's mind control is way better than unicrons.
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Nvm, it was someone else, but it was like that
 
Yobobojojo said:
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Then for now it isn't super relevant and, as I said, doesn't come into play since my points aren't based on killing one another, just incapping. Vecna can incap, Unicron cannot (at least, not as easily).
 
There's also power nullification for Vecna. "Magic" refers to basically anything supernatural, even toonforce, in DnD, so it would probably work.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
There's also power nullification for Vecna. "Magic" refers to basically anything supernatural, even toonforce, in DnD, so it would probably work.
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Depends on the ability and I'm very unsure of toon force, but the latter doesn't matter. But yes. Vecna can incap, I think.
 
I'd like to see someone make an argument for Unicron though, if possible, in case I missed something big
 
@Paulo Vecna negs the same thing in verse, Gods are immune to existence erasure except by their Overgods (which I guess would equate to higher tier characters)
 
Pretty solid. Mind hax is what you'd expect (taking control of armies/planets/universes/etc of people because why not) and BFR is just sending him into some other dimension. Or the Astral Sea, which is sort of an area between multiversal clusters like the Abyss.
 
Should also note the Mindhax has a few other useful things considering the vast amount of spells. Mind control wise, it can make people want to assist you to flat out control them and if they resist their mind gets burnt up. Or it can just erase your mind, making it into a numb darkness.
 
I'm not sure if basic Mind Hax would work on a robot (did we ever decide that?), althrought Unicron doesn't seem to have Dimensional Travel, so BFR could work.
 
I mean

IIRC Transformers are entirely alive, just made of metal and whatnot. So in theory they have a mind in there, and the mindhax works on other living constructs (golems with minds can be manipulated).
 
Wait what?

Why does Bambi say Vecna can't counter non existence yet say Vecna can Mind Hax?
 
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Is his of the Mental variety? I figured he was of the Physical kind, that's how I took it. Nonexistent Physiology doesn't auto-neg Mind hax.
 
Because Unicron's ridiculous large size gives him the potential to just absorb evil beings (Fear malice, you know the drill) by just existing, and seeing how Vecna inst Type 10 or so she could be killed with sheer pasive hax.
 
Type 10 isn't really a hax

And BTW I don't think any of unicron's avatars have had conceptual manipulation only the true form that almost killed primus
 
Not what I ment, some avatars can also absorb malice and obviously chaos, tied with his large size I dont think Vecna can avoid Unicron absorbing her.
 
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