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Ness vs. Toppo

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WRRRYYYYYY, Ness precognition would help him, then he uses PK Paralysis on Toppo and bashses him until he is knocked out, or just use Flash lel. And no, Toppo can NOT scream and get out of paralysis state as it's not a projectile or Magic. It can't be cured unless you have PSI Healing or a healing item. So Ness has my vote for Precognition (it's listed in his Nigh Omniscient) and PSI that can't be dodged nor escape. (Oh, and PSI is instantaneous). EDIT: Rip he has Resistance to Paralysis, how good is it? If it doesn't work, then Hypnosis should do the trick.
 
Wait, was Freiza attack Psychic? Or nah? If nah, then it should work maybe, but like I said, Hypnosis should do the trick and he can end it with Flash. But like I said, this is Psychic energy we are dealing with, not KI blast and junk. So ye. Precognition (Nigh omniscience) PSI (with an addition with One hit kill) and Status effect inducement (He also has resistance and more abilities going to him)


Ahem, anywho, my vote goes to the Kid with psychic powers.
 
"this is Psychic energy we are dealing with, not KI blast and junk."

If it means anything, a part and component of Ki is the Mind (Arguably Psychic Energy). Arguably.

We don't know how Freeza's Paralysis/Lock ability works. So an unanswerable question there (Sowy).

"PSI (with an addition with One hit kill)"

I have no idea how Earthbound works but I am almost 100% sure there's never been a "Blam you're dead" move in there.

"Status effect inducement (He also has resistance and more abilities going to him)"

Toppo's main gig in this form is EE. Ness survived Void Manipulation that arguably never showed Existence Erasure (No, eating someone's calls isn't EE).

Ness is >Baseline.

Toppo is >SSRB Vegeta >= SSJB Kaiokenx20 Goku >= Kefla > 2nd UIO Goku > Jiren (first UIO Battle) > First UIO Goku > Infinite Zamasu (Baseline).

If anything, Toppo has a massive AP advantage

"PK Paralysis on Toppo and bashses him until he is knocked out, or just use Flash lel."

If he tries to bash Toppo, passive EE aura rapes Ness. So...

"And no, Toppo can NOT scream and get out of paralysis state as it's not a projectile or Magic."

It uses Psychic Energy, which is heavily related to the mind which Ki is also heavily related to. So it's arguable whether or not Toppo can just scream right through it and not just "Muh he can't".

"It can't be cured unless you have PSI Healing or a healing item."

Citations on this please because every lets play I've seen has never had this "Can't be cured" bs in them ;L

"(Oh, and PSI is instantaneous)"

Again, citation please o_o

"Rip he has Resistance to Paralysis, how good is it? If it doesn't work, then Hypnosis should do the trick."

Again, dunno. All we know is Freeza has a "Bam you can't move and is paralyzed now!" move.

Also, for intelligence,

"Hypnosis: Victim falls asleep, unless they're highly intelligent."

"Intelligence: As one of the warriors sent to represent Universe 11 in Zen'ō's Tournament of Power, Toppo is undoubtedly one of the strongest and more skilled fighters in his universe. Matching the likes of Super Saiyan Blue Goku blow for blow, he specializes in grappling maneuvers and submission holds that disorient his foes and crush their bones to pacify his foes as soon as possible."

Sounds highly intelligent to me. Having the experience and skill able to match Goku is especially good. As well as being a GoD Candidate, and we know how long THOSE guys live for.
 
Oh snap! I realized my tone has gone off a bit rude, forgive me for that. I'm just a little stressed out, but it ain't no biggie. I'm currently on mobile so I'll respond tomorrow, ok? Yee. And sorry if I get things out of place, my head is not the same as before. So tomorrow it will be.
 
Literally all you need to do is post gameplay or lore whatevers of Ness' abilities, no biggie dude :p
 
Alrighty, I'm back here now ready to argue more :D

Let's begin (Because this one will be T H I C C)

Ok, let's start off with PSI and KI

PSI= Psionics These can be usued for Defense/Offense; To creating shields to protect you, to spawning off Elemental attacks, or Status effect inducement. Paralysis: Prevents movement. In Mother, this is equivalent to stone or unconscious; if all players are afflicted by one of these effects, the game is over. This can hender your movement, unable to grab items. Only way to get out is through (Ya guessed it) PSI Healing, which Toppo doesn't have. Though, it's unknown if the effect would work or not. Now for Hypnosis, and let me start off by saying, why the hey does it say if they're highly intellegent enough, they can avoid this? First of all, it's been able to work against Jeff (who is described as being a genius). 2nd, there's a thread that discuss this type of thing. So, you can go ahead and look into that (Some revolving Game mechanics). So, hypnosis should do the trick on Toppo.

Now onto KI.

Ki, while yes, it deals with the mind (Such as when Goku used mind reading and teleapthy). It isn't the same as PSI, as it never in the series say it was Psychic (in a way). "Natural energy coursing within the body known as Chi, Qi, Ki, Youki, and many other names. This ability appears most frequently in Eastern media, where the concept of Chi was first derived, and is typically associated with Martial Arts." Not the same. I'd like to see Infinte Zamasu "spread his infulence into different timelines" to kill Goku and the other. (Ki is not PSI, yes it uses the mind as one big trait but PSI acts differently between KI/ NATURAL energy. And the reasoning why PSI is instant is because it's a THOUGHT based attack, which is something that im pretty sure no one in dragon ball would can use. And from I'm getting from you is that "Oh but KI main component is the mind so it's Arguably the Same as PSI" No, that's wrong. And even if it SAYS it's PSI (SCP foundation for example has a user that uses PSI but say it's acts like Magic, which in Earthbound never in the series said it was magic nor acts like one) it would need Verse equalization, which is not allowed in battles. I'm starting to think Paralysis would work because Toppo was paralyzed from a 3-A, that being Freiza (who was likely weakened) and because, different form of energy. I really don't think Toppo can just "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!" his way out of status effect. Ness isn't really a Martial artist or use PSI love like they do in Dragon Ball (As an beam struggle, or go "HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" or scream the name of his move. Though, there is one similarity...and that's Poo, he trains a lot and knows Martial arts to aid Ness and the gang. He kinda reminds me of a loyal version of Vegeta). He also, uh, went through disturbings trainings.

I might have missed a few things, but im sure you get where Im coming from.


Now the only advantage I see Toppo getting is AP and Passive Existence erassure (Though it's very VERY weak in range). That's all


Damnku gets reflicted back thanks to Power shield

Ness has Nigh Omniscience which with that, grants him Precognition and Clairvoyance

Better range

Has durablity to survive AP (Shielded the party from Giygas, who is capable of attacking in different timelines and effortlessly destoyed the future) AP (created his own Space Time continumm, which would grant him abilites like: Reality Warping and Space-Time manipulation, but it's likely not allowed in Combat, but he's still able to go toe-toe against Giygas).

and finally has Hax. (PK Flash can ignore durablity and HAS the chance to OHK.)

So my vote goes to the kid who loves baseball.
 
Oof, I'm going to copy and paste an argument regarding Paralysis effects seen in this Thread.


"Then probably Ness, all thanks of paralysis.

Paralysis mayor traits are the fact that:

1- It reduces mobility by a big margin. This can be seen in the description of the abilitie, which states that it numbs the body to a degree that dificulties proper movement. In game, when a character gets this status, they can be seen in the overworld barely moving thanks to it.

2- It completly nullifies physical combat. When hit by it, the abilitie to use weapons for face to face combat is destroyed, this can be seen when everyone that gets it by it can't no longer fight with melee attacks and the only way to counter attack is by PSI, attacks that can be only be done with the use of the mind. It also blocks range weapons, as seen as it block people like Jeff from using his guns and bazookas. Basically, everything related to physical weapons or attacks is gone.

3- It blocks the use of equipment. This is probably the biggest treath to Terrarian. When it by hit, characters can no longer access their items to use during the combat. This blocks Jeff from using his rockets, missiles, bombs, and to everyone else, healing items, stats buff and debuff items and even different weapons. It even block them from changing weapons and armor mid fight.

4- Is a status effect that doesn't disappear by time. It will stick until the end of the battle, and whitout healing items or PSI skills, it can't be cured.

So basically, I see the fight going like this:

They start fighting, either Terrarian cast his buffs to gain advantage or faces Ness instantly attacking and trying to debuff him, and Ness tries to either use Hypnosis and Paralysis. Why use supportive abilities before stuff like Rockin?, becuse Ness seems like a supportive character by nature, literaly, besides Rockin and Flash (Which its only damaging property is its OHKO chance) everything else he has for his PSI abilities are supportive, and not wanting to use debuffs to enchance your chances of victory seems dumb. If Hypnosis is use, it will probrably fail, since Terrarian is an expert in crafting futuristic weapons and advance technology, wich also means he as a big IQ, wich is similar to Jeff's, so that won't work, so he'll resort to Paralysis.

Since i'm not seeing resistance to it in his page, i'll asume it will work. If he starts with Paralysis ignore the above. Once hit by it, Terrarian will lose a big portion of his hax, since as stated above, everything he has comes from items, which are blocked once hit by paralysis.

His mobility will also suffer, since as also shown in game, enemies like birds and even UFO's suffer the consequences of paralysis, so Terrarians Wings or gadgets will become either useless or inefficient.

His combat will also become useless, since he will not be able to use his swords, guns, magic books, staffs or everything for that matter.

Since sutff like his healing potions and big hax are on his inventory, he won't be able to access to them, so he only would have access to what he has at the start of the fight.

And considering the fact that paralysis doesn't worn out, he's stuck like this for the rest of the fight.

Next act is Ness either hiting him until he falls or casting Rockin omega.

Regarding other aspects such as experience, I think they are evenly matched, since both of them fight some weird sh**t during their adventures, and I highly doubt survival and construction stuff would work during battle unless there's prep time, and even if Terrarian tries to construct something during the battle, he'll be unable to reach his construction materials thanks to paralysis.

so yeah ness."

Pretty sure it'll hit Toppo like a truck.
 
MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA. (Take your time as I did as well!) Ness is the best in smash tho, don't @ me (unless you wanna 1v1 me in Wii U in which case I'd be happy to acccept).

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Fite me
 
By the way, here's a thing justifying Ness Nigh Omniscience

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Ness reminds me of Doctor Strange.

"(Ness heard a familiar voice at the center of sea of Eden.) Giygas goal is to destroy you. Listen carefully! Everything in the universe could be destroyed at the hands Giygas. But he and his followers are also in trouble. The apple of enlightenment foretold that Giygas' attempt will fail. It is because of the existence of a boy named Ness. ...That's me! Free your mind and KNOW what you must do! Your destiny has already been decided. You... I... Where should we go? You know deep within the reaches of your mind. ...S...Sat... ... Saturn Valley... Yes Go to the valley where the Mr. Saturn lives. ...You'll get something new there. Soon, Magicant will be no more. We must be quick! (Ness really hears his own voice.) Go to Saturn Valley! Go to Saturn Valley now!"

All of that right there shows Precognition and Clairvoyance, so that'd be really helpful in the fight. Then Ness gets 200,000 exp. :^

Lol.

Oh and, uh the votes right now

2 for Ness

0 for Toppo

0 for Inconclusive
 
And that's 8 for Ness

0 for The Dragon ball fellow

0 for Inconclusive

Grace period starts (@Akreious is trying to come up with an response, unless he votes for the Smol boi)

Welp time to request.
 
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