Satan (Devilman) Revision and a bit about Psycho Jenny and Zenon

So i think we should give Satan Concept Manipulation based on the information a gather. And give him Zenon and Jenny resistance too it so please take your time reading this. And if you dont have time just check my Quick Summary of it.


First i checked his scene from CB Chara Go Nagai World Ep-1: https://youtu.be/x2wFlBVdOWM?t=1802

In this scene Baron Ashura figures out thanks too his investigation That Ryo Asuke is Satan he even tought that Satan thanks too his powers created the world of CB Chara Go Nagai like usual. Wait like usual yes like usual because Satan confirms that he can create worlds but this time it wasnt him.

Second is this https://youtu.be/2qol4VFOHL0?t=1524 From CB Chara Go Nagai World Ep 3:

Satan explain in great detail how God creates his characters worlds and stories showing that Satan has great knowledge about creation.

For example (in Satan own words) if God wants to draw Mazinger Z he first has a vague image of Mazinger Z. Next he solidifies his idea and then its born. while the orginal manga,s are born the ideas that are not interesting or are not good enough are discarded in the world of CB Chara Go Nagai .

Wat is most important too remember that the characters of CB Chara Go Nagai are parody counter parts of the manga version this is also confirmed by Satan here is the clip https://youtu.be/2qol4VFOHL0?t=1105

So now you ask yourself what is the scaling of Satant concept manipulation? Well its should be universal and higher but their is one problem and that is his father God who not only weakend Satan but is far more powerfull then him because if it wasnt for him Satan would recreate the Devilman verse in his vision need prove well if got it but first this from the original Devilman:

http://***********.xyz/devilman/chapter-5.14?page=43 Satan talks about how God created everthing in the microcosm but made one error the demons. So God decided by destroying the microcosm he would be able to fix his errors. Satan didnt like this and he rebelled against His father and won see here: http://***********.xyz/devilman/chapter-5.14?page=44

So if you wonder why God couldn't recreate the Devilman verse and fix all his errors it because of his son Satan had enough power too stop it and always rebel against it. And because Satan, Zenon and Jenny are unaffected by the changes of God when he re starts the Devilman verse. If you want some prove of it well here it is:

First in CB Chara Go Nagai World EP - 3 OVA Final at the end of the show God create a new world ( that world being violence jack) everthing was rewritten even Satan lost his memories and became Ryo Asuka again. however as for Psyhco Jenny she seems unaffected by the changes of God and even helps Miki to find Akari who is Jack in this world. here is the clip: https://youtu.be/2qol4VFOHL0?t=2527

Second in the manga Amon The Dark Side of The Devilman, Amon Zenon Satan and Jenny seem to be aware of God power to restart the world of Devil man and how its a pushiment for Satan too lose his loved one Akira and this is the only fate he cannot change here are the pages:

https://www.***********.net/amon/11/16 https://www.***********.net/amon/11/17

And also in this is the page that Zenon is also aware of Satan curse:https://www.***********.net/amon/24/8

So back too the orginale question could Satan recreate the Devilman verse if it wasnt for God and the anwser lies in Devilman Lady.

http://***********.xyz/devilman-lady/chapter-10.22?page=21 Akira pretty much confrims that Satan has enough power that he could recreate the world physical world in his image but he cant why well their is God who is the big Daddy of the verse and he took most of Satan powers away so the best thing Satan could do now is stopping God from fully recreating the Devilman verse in his vision which is still a impressive feat. This is also why i believe many demons have conceptual resistance because if it wasnt for Satan granting them that the might by gone. and it gives this explantion a whole new meaning

http://***********.xyz/devilman-lady/chapter-15.01?page=17 http://***********.xyz/devilman-lady/chapter-15.01?page=18

As long as their is someone left to image it it wont disappear it gains life separate from the will of its creator. So can God kill Satan and the Demons no why because its far too late for because they are all keep developing on their own and getting stronger by each serie it truly is a endless conflict.

Also Satan is in a weakend stated according too Amon The Dark Side of The Devilman. Satan talks about how god feared his power on earth so he took a part of satan from him and that part because amon or in satan words his shadow. Satan also tell Amon if the became one again they can defeat god.

The pages:

https://www.***********.net/amon/3/150 Satan is in a weaked stated https://www.***********.net/amon/3/155 Amon is Satan shadow https://www.***********.net/amon/3/177 if the become one again the can defeat God and become the ruler of the Devilman verse

Now is Satan conceptual manipulation on the same scaling as God well no but still pretty strong because if it wasnt for God he could recreate the Devilman verse in his own vision as said by Akira in this page: http://***********.xyz/devilman-lady/chapter-10.24?page=3

Note: durning the recreation in CB Chara Go Nagai World EP - 3 OVA Final i said Satan lost his memories and became Ryo Asuka again. This can be seen as a weakness but that highly debatable here is the clip: https://youtu.be/2qol4VFOHL0?t=1937

Edit: https://imgur.com/a/FEh3G this part of the final chapter of Violence jack pretty much proves that Satan created the world of Violence jack and its universe after the end of Original Devilman. Not only can satan create stuff out of nothing but he has the same power as God when it comes down to creation. This then also might explain how he defeat God for the first time

Quick summary of Sata

First change his tier from 5-B to Low 2-C based on these statesment http://***********.xyz/devilman/chapter-5.14?page=44 he won his first war against God http://***********.xyz/devilman-lady/chapter-10.22?page=21 Akira pretty much confrims that Satan has enough power that he could recreate the world physical world in his image and again this from Violence Jack https://m.imgur.com/a/FEh3G. also noted that according too Amon The Dark Side of The Devilman Satan is in a weakend stated and that him and Amon were ones one being here are the pages:

https://www.***********.net/amon/3/150 Satan is in a weaked stated https://www.***********.net/amon/3/155 Amon is Satan shadow https://www.***********.net/amon/3/177 if the become one again the can defeat God and become the ruler of the Devilman verse


Power/Abilities: Concept manipulation ( based on Demons,Angels,etc are conceptual beings from this chapter of Devilman G http://*********.club/devilman-grimoire/3?page=27. so the only to get rid of them is erasing the concept of them so God would have erased the concept of demons if it wasnt for Satan rebelling against him and winning and because of the info from Violence Jack that Satan has the same power of creation as God and how in-depth the story goes through about creation https://*********.me/manga/devilman-lady/s1/v14/c5/16 from this page up too page 34 Asuke goes in depth talking about creation there is also this https://youtu.be/2qol4VFOHL0?t=1524 from CB Chara Go Nagai World Ep 3: Satan explain in great detail how God creates his characters worlds and stories showing that Satan has great knowledge about creation.

Law manipulation/ Physics Manipulation( based on the this statement from Violence Jack https://imgur.com/a/FEh3G and this from CB Chara Go Nagai World Ep-1: https://youtu.be/x2wFlBVdOWM?t=1802 )

Power Nullification (either add or changes the description with 'denies any abilities based on this http://i.imgur.com/UdU1FLA.jpg and this http://***********.xyz/devilman-vs-hades/chapter-10?page=16 . ) this one is not necessary but would be nice for better understanding

Willpower manipulation (maybe it has been mentioned multiple times that Demons corrupt peoples will).

Time and Space manipulation( change the description of both because of the info from Violence Jack)

Mind manipulation ( maybe a new description because of the stuff with Zenon in Violence Jack)

Fusionism ( we need to talk about this and how broken its is in Devilman)

Reality Warping Resistance ( best to changes the description of the Resistance because of how Satan, Zenon and Jenny are seem fine when God rewrites the Devilman verse. first is this from CB Chara Go Nagai World EP - 3 https://youtu.be/2qol4VFOHL0?t=2527 and then there is also these two pages from Amon The Dark Side of The Devilman: https://www.***********.net/amon/11/16 https://www.***********.net/amon/11/17. Now i dont know if this would apply to Devilman as well but that we can debate.


After this is all done we might have to changes these stats:

Attack Potency

Speed

Lifting Strength

Durability

Range'

Looks fine, let's see what the others say.

i wanted too talk about Micheal and God but they deserve their own revision together with Jenny And especially Zenon ( my Fav) sinds he has also Mao Dante powers but thats for later

Since we're talking about Dante, there's his render:

Not seeing any concept manipulaton, it's just standard reality warping, creating stuff from your imagination.

@Celestial Pegasus how is it reality warping if God had too go too all these steps first.

First the characters then the story and world then the rules and etc

@Arekusuripa Look nice and i like to know more about this: No, they just nullify powers of opponents and in Jenny's case, denies any abilities (even Satan) by absorbing them. can you show the scans for this feat because i would like to see it in their profile for better understading of their power nullification.

Here, Amon absorb Hades power, which nullify his abilities.

Stuff is just being given form from their imagination, still don't see how that's concept manipulation.

This is the standard stuff every universe creator can do and we don't give them concept manipulation, God just first has a vague image of something, then solidifies his idea and then its born, that's not concept manipulation.

Again for example Asuka even brings up Jung Carl Gustav Jung Idea of Synchronicity. Here are the pages:

https://*********.me/manga/devilman-lady/s1/v14/c5/28

https://*********.me/manga/devilman-lady/s1/v14/c5/29

https://*********.me/manga/devilman-lady/s1/v14/c5/30https:

https://*********.me/manga/devilman-lady/s1/v14/c5/31

https://*********.me/manga/devilman-lady/s1/v14/c5/32

https://*********.me/manga/devilman-lady/s1/v14/c5/33

At the end of the converstion Asuka even stated in her own words: isnt it possibile that this entrie universe may be born of God imagination and the funny thing is it is created from God imagination because without God their is no Devilman verse. Not only that Jung Carl Gustav Jung Idea of Synchronicity fits really well within the context of the story of the Devilman Verse.

Btw if people wanne check more about Jung Carl Gustav gonne link these two because these are the only two things Asuka is talking about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity

Still just reality warping, i see no evidence of concept manipulation.

Everything in the universe simply comes from God's imagination, this applies to every universe creator, they created everything in their verse, but we don't just give them things like concept manipulation.

Even tought the story goes in great depths about how God created the Devilman verse you still wanne write it of as reality warping because of the lack of evidence even tought God created earth heaven and hell and each contains their own laws and are universal big. and according CB Chara Go Nagai World he also creates stories and characters. Then i cant convince you but i can give you some Devilman uta:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUsPumRbT4c and recommend you too check more about Devilman verse

Edit I also forgot to mention this from Devilman G http://*********.club/devilman-grimoire/3?page=27 Were God locked up his demons in the netherworld denying them both of a form and their existence. The only thing that helped them too escape that place was the power of imagination or as Akira likes too put it: (Mankind gave birth to words and told tales of the world. The power of imagination it creates such fantastical beings) and this weird phenomenon with Mars and Earth

Ok.....

Following. See how this goes. Also God created Satan and Devilman, both of which are Conceptual beings. I'm neutral about the Conceptual Manipulation though.

Its fine tho but love too hear your own toughts about how Satan stopt God from erasing the concept of demons and how he get away with screwing with his Laws, Physics, Time/Space and Concept manipulation. Because the only thing that is certain is that the world gets destroyed and Akira dies.

I don't think it's Conceptual Erasure. At all. It's just regular erasure nothing more. We already have and approved their resistance to Law and Physics. Time and Space, I'm not sure.

Ah ok didnt know its was their resistance to Law and Physics Time and Space that made them That unaffected by the changes of God. I do think we should give Satan, Zenon and Jenny a special case because unlike other Demons they seem complete fine after God rewrites the Devilman verse.

>Time and Space, I'm not sure.

God regularly makes a complete mess of space and time, so I guess that's all right.

Ok guys i found the golden jack pot for us too understand satan power

Here:: https://m.imgur.com/a/FEh3G

Tincan123 said:

Ok guys i found the golden jack pot for us too understand satan power
Here:: https://m.imgur.com/a/FEh3G

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so satan has created a universe and can split himself which is not suprising considering he did that in devilman lady also devilman can prevent the world from being reality warped.

Here is the final volume of violence jack: http://wheres-the-phone.tumblr.com/post/177324475045/123

So, 2-C Satan, after all.

Wont goes as far to say that but atleast he can created a universe

Well, then Low 2-C

Got more usefull infromation for this god men http://waaty.tumblr.com/post/172655024015

Now the main question: Satan power covering the entire universe, but can we say the same about his statistics or is it as in the case of the characters that occupy the universe, but have the strength of a mountain to planet? But it is clear how Satan experienced the restart of the universe and protected others from God - he is just almost equal to him in strength.

Its finaly makes his sentence in devilman lady sense he is the the Right man of god or was.

This means that Devilman, with levels of attacks to the planet, can withstand the Erasure of the universe - now it is not only confirmed, but also fully justified, thank you for this Satan.

not only that Satan and God have the same power over creation.

oh Also almost forget satan has the same power as Jenny too lock up someones memory

I agree with Celestial Pegasus about concept manipulation.

Can you give a TLDR summary of the other changes that you wish to perform?

ok gotte fix alot of stuff now with the information from violence jack

so satan is going to be low 2-c

Its the only way too explain how he won against god and with that staments from violence jack and devilman lady its makes more sense now.I have to fix my stuff now because of Violence jack

Dont know if the description on Matter manipulation should be changed because Satan can create things out of nothing

Tincan123 said:

Dont know if the description on Matter manipulation should be changed because Satan can create things out of nothing

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Yes it should be changed creation and matter manipulation are seperate things

Well isn't Satan near omnipotent according to the Devilman wiki?

@ABoogieYesSir lets not be silly abou that ok XD

I'm not: https://devilman.wikia.com/wiki/Satan

Silly goese that doesnt count