Satan (Devilman) Revision and a bit about Psycho Jenny and Zenon

[ABoogieYesSir]

lol

 

[Tincan123]

I think i am done guys with my summary if their is anything left please tell me but as for now lets talk about it and get stuff done.

 

[Antvasima]

We still need a TLDR summary and more staff input before we consider any massive upgrades.

 

[Tincan123]

Ok will work on it

 

[Tincan123]

First Spoiler warning for the new chapter of devilman saga 43 https://www.*********.cc/manga/devilman_saga/c043/16.html

 

[Arekusuripa]

So, Hell is 4 or 5 dimensional after all...

 

[Tincan123]

This makes Mao Dante/Zenon feat by collapsing hell even crazier.

 

[Arekusuripa]

Also, Devilman casually break it.

 

[Tincan123]

Also does it count as Higher Dimensional Manipulation.

 

[Arekusuripa]

Suppose so and this mean God at least 2-A, likely far higher.

 

[Tincan123]

Great now i have to put that in my summary just great

 

[Arekusuripa]

Besides, is this old man a demon?

 

[Tincan123]

Maybe who knows men this is Devilman after all

 

[Arekusuripa]

So, this is can be justified after all.

 

[Tincan123]

He mention it 3 times now about Higher Dimensions. so it be kinda crazy if we just ignore it

 

[Arekusuripa]

Then we urgently need the input of others. Also, as you say earlie "insane stuff from mao dante", now really are insane, LOL. In general, it explains much of the structure of verse.

 

[Arekusuripa]

It is also necessary to divide them into three-dimensional and multidimensional bodies: because God created them, and bodies in the real world a shells that have no true power.

 

[Tincan123]

This revision became a rabbit hole. I hope everybody can join this because this takes some time

 

[Antvasima]

We still need a TLDR summary and more staff input before we consider any massive upgrades.

See here.

 

[Tincan123]

Yeh about that is my summary now fine or do i need to change it

 

[Antvasima]

I was looking for something more concise.

 

[Tincan123]

Yeh i can understand what you mean but trust me this is the best i could do with research into the Devilman verse and with the new information i was thinking about putting Higher Dimensional Manipulation in the summary thanks to the latest chapter. Plus you could always ask Arekusuripa if my summary is fine or not because he is after all the knowledge member of the Devilman Verse.

 

[Arekusuripa]

I checked Satan's feat from Violence Jack - this is universe, but only in three dimensions.

 

[Tincan123]

Yeh i wanne keep his tier Low 2-C But because of the latest statement from Devilman Saga makes it hard to keep him in that tier because of Mao Dante-Zenon Collapsed hell or better yet he pretty much destroyed it and he is the right hand man of Satan

 

[Arekusuripa]

Yeah, especially in the later chapters, where stated that the Hell is four/five-dimensional.

 

[Tincan123]

Edit: Dont forget its a 9th layerd Universe. Just checked Dante inferno hell has nine Circles

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Ask Dark to be here. I'm neutral with this.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we usually tend to ignore higher-dimensional claims if the feats of the characters are of a far more limited scale.

 

[Arekusuripa]

I would venture to suggest that their powers within the material world are extremely limited because of the structure of space, which means that only such powerful beings as God or Satan are able to change the universe, while other demons like Amon and Zenon are not able to do so. Again, given the structure of Hell, this only spreads in the material world.

 

[Antvasima]

That seems like a lot of speculation. I am extremely reluctant to allow such massive upgrades, with major contradictions involved.

 

[Arekusuripa]

Then i guess it's better stop at the universe, because he personally said he created it.

 

[Tincan123]

If you guys could invite other people to help us ou with this stuff then thank you. Because i already ask others from the former thread of the devilman revision to join.

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure who to ask, but you can check the Knowledgeable Members List and the supporters & neutral sections of the Devilman (Verse) page for people to ask to comment here.

 

[SomebodyData]

I think Low 2-C Satan is fine, though like Celestial said, its probably not Concept manip.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, SomebodyData usually has a good sense of judgement.

 

[Arekusuripa]

>its probably not Concept manip

I agree, but Satan prevented the Erasure of information about demons from the universe.

Also, in Violence Jack, Devilman defeated Satan, doesn't that make him also a Low 2-C?

... or not - can Devilman, be able with his planet level, hurt the Satan with universal level?

 

[Tincan123]

I am fine with no Concept manipulation but if someone can explain how Satan stopt God from erasing demons please do tell. As for the Devilman defeated Satan take it with a bit of salt because dont forget Satan/Ryo regrets killing Akari in Devilman. But it would make sense to scale him with him given the facts about Devilman. Maybe not Low 2-C but atleast 3-A

 

[SomebodyData]

Well, we're talking about the same Satan right? The Devilman continuity still kinda confuses me, but I think I'll understand eventually.

@Tincan Resistance to Existence Erasure or Power Nullification. Could also be Nonexistent Physiology.

 

[Arekusuripa]

>The Devilman continuity still kinda confuses me

Well, it's kind a mess - each new part is a new universe.

>Resistance to Existence Erasure or Power Nullification.

Could also be Nonexistent Physiology.

Oh, then it's fine i guess.

 

[Tincan123]

@SomebodyData were talking about the same Satan so dont worry about that. As for Nonexistent Physiology i am fine with it but i remember it was discussed but it didnt count.