Bobobo VS Vecna

Lots of hair: 1
DAMN YOU HASBRO: 7

Inconclusive: 0

Speed is equalized

Looking at both their profiles I think Vecna will take it.

Both have lots of resistances as well as abilities that aren't resisted.

Problem is I don't know if Bobobo can get past mid godly except with possibly absorbtion and his precog might let him know to do it.

However Vecna has his own precog that makes it a matter of who hits first. But Vecna has very good probability Manip which will make it so his move will always go first.

So my vote is for Vecna unless I'm missing something

How strong is her absorption. Has her absorption bypased Low-Mid Godly before?

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Bo-bobo can bypass his regen with Transmutation or Sealing or Mind Manipulation or possibly BFR. Bo-bobo also has better Precognition. He prepares for battles weeks in advance in places he doesn't even know exist for battles he didn't even know would occur. He did this both against Giga and against Shigeki X, Goisu, and Wandering Tofu. There are people like Goemon and T-500 who are incapable of using things like Information Analysis on Don Patch (who is less prominent in Hajike) when those are their main abilities, and people like Giga who can perform calculations in mid combat to such extents that it amounts to Information Analysis, Mind Reading, and basically Precognition aren't able to predict Bo-bobo. It was stated that Bi-bibi could accurately predict everything that would occur for a thousand years, and he can't predict what Bo-bobo would do. Bo-bobo could also fell him with moves like Bo-bobo World, where transcendent of silliness where Hajike is a transcendent force that causes people to die and/or permanently lose their abilities if they are incapable of releasing their soul, and this ability would presumably work on Be-bebe, who has the same Regenerationn as Bo-bobo, so it should also bypass Mid-Godly (yes, Mid-Godly. Bo-bobo/Be-bebe are capable of regenerating even if their mind, body and soul were to be erased, among other aspects of their existence, but it is considered Low-Godly still because their essence still exists in the form of their Hair Ball. If Vecna's Mid-Godly only includes things like regenerating from his body, mind, and soul, then he would die from the Death Manipulation of Bo-bobo World).

Okay, some things about this, Undead are Immune to Mind Manipulation and Death Manipulation, they cannot have their stats lowered and cannot have their level lowered via Negative Levels either, they're also immune poison, sleep effects, paralysis, stunning, diseases, and some others, but they aren't relevent besides immunity to mundane weapons, which would include Bobobo's physical attacks, as unless he imbudes magic into his fists or kicks.

Anyway, Death manipulation doesn't work on Undead in D&D, they are immune to Death effects, so Finger of Death, Wail of the Banshee, Annhilation etc. don't work on undead, so Death Manipulation is out of the way.

Additionally, Vecna would go straight for Finger of Death, Wail of the Banshee, Annhilation etc. at fist as well, as he is a level 20 Wizard and a Level 20 Cleric (Death Domain), he has access to these spells, and Power Word: Death, Power Word: Pain and such, additionally, BFR is useless as Vecna casually travels across the Multiverse and has multiple ways of coming back such as Astral Projection, Greater Teleportation, which makes his teleportation safe no matter where he goes except Sigil due to the Lady of Pain, Gate and similar Magic.

And Vecna would throw the two of them into the Astral Realm where Vecna gets massively faster due to being an intellectual powerhouse, as Movement in the Astral Realm is measured by ones intellect and not movement speed, and as Vecna is likely Supergenius, which is higher than Bobobo's Extraordinary Genius.

Additionally, Vecna has the Know Secrets Divine traits which by looking at someone, they know their entire history: Know Secrets No secrets can be kept from the deity. Benefit: The deity can learn a creature's entire history (including any embarrassing or vital secrets it might know) just by looking at it.

And apparently, Vecna can kill anyone if he knows their secrets, quote again: "Vecna plots the destruction of the other deities so that he may take the world for himself. According to Vecna, there exists a secret that can destroy any being, no matter how powerful that being is. In the middle of every heart hides a seed of darkness kept hidden from all but the self. Finding that secret evil and exploiting it is the key to undoing one's enemies. Strength and power, says Vecna, come from knowing and controlling what others do not. He also admonishes his followers never to reveal all that they know."

Additionally, you cannot transmute Vecna, as this is one of his Divine Immunities: "Divine Immunities: Ability damage, ability drain, acid, cold, death effects, disease, disintegration, electricity, energy drain, mind-affecting effects, paralysis, poison, sleep, stunning, transmutation, imprisonment, banishment."

Also, he has these: "Salient Divine Abilities: Alter Reality, Arcane Mastery, Area Divine Shield, Automatic Metamagic (quicken wizard spells), Create Object, Divine Blast, Divine Fast Healing, Divine Shield, Divine Spellcasting, Increased Spell Resistance, Know Secrets, Spontaneous Wizard Spells"

What do they do?

Alter Reality: The deity can change reality to suit itself. Benefit:This ability is similar to the wish spell. The deity merely thinks of something and then makes it so. Doing this requires at least a standard action.

Arcane Mastery: The deity can prepare wizard spells without consulting a spellbook. Prerequisites: Spellcaster level 1st, Int 29, Spell Mastery. Benefit: The deity can prepare any wizard spell that it can cast without using a spellbook. Notes: This ability gives the deity access to every spell on the sorcerer/wizard spell list, provided that the deity has sufficient wizard levels and a sufficient Intelligence score to cast them. The deity also can invent new sorcerer/wizard spells without researching them.

Area Divine Shield: The deity can use part of its personal energy as a barrier that protects against almost any attack. Benefit: Except where noted here, this ability works like the Divine Shield ability. The deity produces a transparent barrier whose area is up to one 10-foot square per rank, or a sphere or hemisphere with a radius of up to 1 foot per rank. The barrier can be placed anywhere within the deity's line of sight. The deity can place the barrier so that it is mobile with respect to some unattended object or willing creature (such as the deity itself ). The barrier can be adjusted to ignore certain types of damage, just as a divine shield can. If the deity makes the shield mobile with respect to a willing creature, the deity also can make the barrier one-way with respect to the creature and its allies, allowing them to attack through the shield and still use its protection. Notes: The deity can shape the shield around itself or around a willing creature so that it is skintight, which prevents the subject from being touched.

Automatic Metamagic: To save time, this one allows the user to automatically use a Metamagic enchancement without it costing more Spellslots, this means that he can Maximize his damage without it costing more.

Create Object: Just create things.

Divine Blast: Shoot a Powerful ray of their own power.

Divine Fast Healing: The deity gains fast healing of 20 + divine rank. Lost limbs or body parts reattach instantly when pressed against the wound on the body

Divine Shield: Personal Divine Shield Area

Divine Spellcasting: Allows the user to go past 9th level spells, Vecna has access to 16th level spells.

Increased Spell Resistance: Read the Tin.

Spontaneous Wizard Spells: The deity can spontaneously cast any wizard spell available to it.

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Man of culture recognizes his colleagues at first glance

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Okay, some things about this, Undead are Immune to Mind Manipulation and Death Manipulation, they cannot have their stats lowered and cannot have their level lowered via Negative Levels either, they're also immune poison, sleep effects, paralysis, stunning, diseases, and some others, but they aren't relevent besides immunity to mundane weapons, which would include Bobobo's physical attacks, as unless he imbudes magic into his fists or kicks.

Yeah, and Bo-bobo is also undead, and Bo-bobo World has been used to both defeat him before and would presumably defeat Be-bebe, who should have a similar immortality to Bo-bobo. Him not being able to lower their levels doesn't mean they resist Power Nullification in the form of Law Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation and Plot Manipulation. And yeah, Bo-bobo does do attacks with Energy Projection and even conceptual attacks as Landmine Bo-bobo where him and his HAJIKE of Hair were like manifestations of Hajike.

Additionally, Vecna would go straight for Finger of Death, Wail of the Banshee, Annhilation etc. at fist as well, as he is a level 20 Wizard and a Level 20 Cleric (Death Domain), he has access to these spells, and Power Word: Death, Power Word: Pain and such, additionally,

Bo-bobo will be able to Resurrect from these.

Additionally, Vecna has the Know Secrets Divine traits which by looking at someone, they know their entire history: Know Secrets No secrets can be kept from the deity. Benefit: The deity can learn a creature's entire history (including any embarrassing or vital secrets it might know) just by looking at it.

Again, I gave many instances of him resisting Information Analysis and Precognition.

And apparently, Vecna can kill anyone if he knows their secrets, quote again: "Vecna plots the destruction of the other deities so that he may take the world for himself. According to Vecna, there exists a secret that can destroy any being, no matter how powerful that being is. In the middle of every heart hides a seed of darkness kept hidden from all but the self. Finding that secret evil and exploiting it is the key to undoing one's enemies. Strength and power, says Vecna, come from knowing and controlling what others do not. He also admonishes his followers never to reveal all that they know."

No, this is basically saying he can make a strategy to beat anyone based off of their secrets.

As for the rest, just seems like a random spam of abilities that doesn't counter everything I named off. Bo-bobo also has more hax I didn't name off the first time, like Ganeme, where he opens up memories of the opponent and then throws glasses in their past to change their abilities to being glasses-like after "infecting" them with Ganeme and then also making them lose the will to fight. And Bo-bobo has a ton more pocket reality techniques he can use to counter that Astral Realm technique, assuming he doesn't just usurp the realm itself and make it into his own, like he did with the Death Money Sugoroku when he was fighting Halekulani.

Vecna has incredibly high Acausuality, Bobobo changing the past wouldn't affect him. The LoP resetting the Multiverse in her unrestricted form didn't get rid of his Godhood or abilities, so Bobobo wouldn't.

As you said it's a spam of abilities, yet in that "spam" I also referenced the fact that he has multiple traits and feats (the D&D feats not Feats of Strength) that give him total immunity to Mind Manipulation, it's called "Divine immunities"

Additionally, you can try and Resist someone looking into the past, but what does Precog have to do with anything? Precog is looking into the future, which he can do passively as well.

"Bobobo can ressurect from these."

Actually, Vecna has multiple spells that prevent ressurection from True Ressurection and Wish let alone self ressurection, I can name 3 off the top of my head which negate ressurection: barghest's feast necrotic termination plague of nightmares

Also, when I was talking about Undead being immune to Mind Manip and Death Manip, I was specifically talking about Undead in D&D, not Undead across all fiction, so Bobobo doesn't have that luxery.

And as for Power Nullification, yes, he can resist Power Nullification, as any attempt to weaken him fails automatically as he is Undead, who are immune to having their stats lowered. Additionally, he was able to Resist the LoP Conceptual Manip, Law Manip and Plot Manip when she reset the Entire Multiverse.

Also, Greater Gods passively have Probability Manipulation so things go in their favour anyway, as well if Bobobo even tries to fight Vecna, Vecna would know weeks in advance, before Bobobo would even be able to resist Know Secrets.

And like I said in the listings of abilities, you cannot BFR Vecna, by his Divine Immunities trait, he is immune to such effects.

Vecna can also make up spells as he goes along with Arcane Mastery, making a Spell that combines the effects of Disintergrate or Wail of the Banshee and the Ressurection nullifying effects.

Vecna has incredibly high Acausuality, Bobobo changing the past wouldn't affect him. The LoP resetting the Multiverse in her unrestricted form didn't get rid of his Godhood or abilities, so Bobobo wouldn't.

Several people that Bo-bobo used Ganeme on also have Time Paradox Immunity.

As you said it's a spam of abilities, yet in that "spam" I also referenced the fact that he has multiple traits and feats (the D&D feats not Feats of Strength) that give him total immunity to Mind Manipulation, it's called "Divine immunities"

I didn't bring up Mind Manipulation in my second reply.

Additionally, you can try and Resist someone looking into the past, but what does Precog have to do with anything? Precog is looking into the future, which he can do passively as well.

He resists Precognition, I literally brought up that Bi-bibi can accurately predict everything that will occur for a thousand years, and he can't predict things that Bo-bobo will do.

Actually, Vecna has multiple spells that prevent ressurection from True Ressurection and Wish let alone self ressurection, I can name 3 off the top of my head which negate ressurection: barghest's feast necrotic termination plague of nightmares

What types of Resurrection do these negate? Bo-bobo has like five different methods I can name off hand.

Also, when I was talking about Undead being immune to Mind Manip and Death Manip, I was specifically talking about Undead in D&D, not Undead across all fiction, so Bobobo doesn't have that luxery.

Again, can you demonstrate that he has a resistance to Death Manipulation in the form of Law Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, and Plot Manipulation?

And as for Power Nullification, yes, he can resist Power Nullification, as any attempt to weaken him fails automatically as he is Undead, who are immune to having their stats lowered. Additionally, he was able to Resist the LoP Conceptual Manip, Law Manip and Plot Manip when she reset the Entire Multiverse.

That is a resistance to Statistics Reduction. Can you give me scans/quotes for that second thing being all literally Conceptual Manipulation, Law Manipulation, and Plot Manipulation?

Also, Greater Gods passively have Probability Manipulation so things go in their favour anyway, as well if Bobobo even tries to fight Vecna, Vecna would know weeks in advance, before Bobobo would even be able to resist Know Secrets.

Bo-bobo's resistance to that is passive, and Bo-bobo's instinctive precognition is better than that as addressed above, and he also has Probability Manipulation and extremely potent Plot Manipulation to make it to where things go in his favour.

And like I said in the listings of abilities, you cannot BFR Vecna, by his Divine Immunities trait, he is immune to such effects.

I'm aware, I didn't bring up BFR, I brought up other abilities. I feel as though you're basically ignoring things you don't want to address.

Vecna can also make up spells as he goes along with Arcane Mastery, making a Spell that combines the effects of Disintergrate or Wail of the Banshee and the Ressurection nullifying effects.

Doubt.

1. Time Paradox Immunity isn't Acausality, they are two separate things, an Acausual being is unaffected by Cause and Effect, TPI is a Lesser form of Acausality only means damage done to the past won't affect the persent version.

So Bobobo bypassing TPI isn't going to affect Vecna's Acausality, what so ever.

2. I'm expanding my argument and was referencing how you said I was just spamming abilities but what I did was bringing up relavent information.

3. Then it's a Good job Vecna isn't Bibibi

4. They Negate ressurection totally, all forms of Ressurection, as in, your attempts to come back from Death, Ressurection, not really much else to say here.

5. Yes, by the fact he's Immune to Death Manipulation as a whole, it doesn't matter how you use Death Manipulation on an Undead like Vecna, it's going to fail.

6. Here the Lady of Pain re-orders and resets the Multiverse once more , creating the 3rd edition, Vecna should have been made a Mortal, as he wasn't a spawned God, he was a Mortal who became an Lich, then Archlich then became a God, he should have been made a Mortal when all things reset, however, he was able to resist it all and be around for 3rd Edition, while not as Powerful before "Die, Vecna, Die!", he is still an Intemediate God, just as he was post "Die, Vecna, Die!". As for Power Null, Negative Levels would be considered a form of Power Nullification, as lowering ones level actually takes away their ability to use abilities of the level that was taken away, as you are negating those levels.

7. I looked on his profile, he's not Resistant to Precognition, his Conceptual Manipulation is only in Bobobo world. Also, Vecna can literally Alter Reality by just thinking it and take away these abilities as if he had used the spell Wish.

8. "And Bo-bobo has a ton more pocket reality techniques he can use to counter that Astral Realm technique, assuming he doesn't just usurp the realm itself and make it into his own, like he did with the Death Money Sugoroku when he was fighting Halekulani. " Pocket Reality is useless when you can't even take him out of the Main Reality.

9. Then fear not, here's sources for them being able to make up spells:

https://imgur.com/gallery/PKj8yAA

Time Paradox Immunity isn't Acausality, they are two separate things, an Acausual being is unaffected by Cause and Effect, TPI is a Lesser form of Acausality only means damage done to the past won't affect the persent version.

Demonstrate that his Acausality is to the extent you're describing it.

Then it's a Good job Vecna isn't Bibibi

I know. Bi-bibi has better Precognition than Vecna, so it's more impressive.

They Negate ressurection totally, all forms of Ressurection, as in, your attempts to come back from Death, Ressurection, not really much else to say here.

Blatant No Limits Fallacy. Give me a statement of it saying all forms of resurrection or demonstrate all the forms of resurrection it has shown to resist.

They Negate ressurection totally, all forms of Ressurection, as in, your attempts to come back from Death, Ressurection, not really much else to say here.

Then saying "immunity" is wank, it should be resistance. Demonstrate times they have resisted that level of Death Manipulation. Fodder Death Manipulation not working on them doesn't mean they resist this. I guess Yakou Madara can't kill them, either, huh?

Here the Lady of Pain re-orders and resets the Multiverse once more , creating the 3rd edition, Vecna should have been made a Mortal, as he wasn't a spawned God, he was a Mortal who became an Lich, then Archlich then became a God, he should have been made a Mortal when all things reset, however, he was able to resist it all and be around for 3rd Edition, while not as Powerful before "Die, Vecna, Die!", he is still an Intemediate God, just as he was post "Die, Vecna, Die!". As for Power Null, Negative Levels would be considered a form of Power Nullification, as lowering ones level actually takes away their ability to use abilities of the level that was taken away, as you are negating those levels.

That isn't Plot Manipulation or Conceptual Manipulation, only Law Manipulation and Existence Erasure, and it doesn't even show in that scan you posted him resisting it. Most of that stuff you named off wasn't in that scan, sooo. And okay. Now show him resisting Power Nullification induced by Law Manipulation, Plot Manipulation, and Conceptual Manipulation.

I looked on his profile, he's not Resistant to Precognition, his Conceptual Manipulation is only in Bobobo world. Also, Vecna can literally Alter Reality by just thinking it and take away these abilities as if he had used the spell Wish.

I'm aware. Many things you mentioned don't exist on Vecna's profile, either, so if you believe that's a valid and relevant argument, it debunks almost everything you've said. And his Conceptual Manipulation is only in Bo-bobo World in his lower keys, but for that matter, my argument was that he would use Bo-bobo World, so I'm not sure why you think that saying he only uses it in Bo-bobo World holds any meaning. And Bo-bobo also can warp reality and use Plot Manipulation just by thinking, not sure why you think it is special. Bo-bobo has fought against countless reality warpers/plot manipulators and is considered the greatest at it in all of existence.

Pocket Reality is useless when you can't even take him out of the Main Reality.

The pocket reality techniques he uses basically turn the reality they are already in into his own, if you haven't seen how they work. Basically painting and imposing his over the already existing one.

Then fear not, here's sources for them being able to make up spells

Useful information owo

Small thing, if Vecna is Acausal, Bobo can absolutely not affect him in the past, even with TPI

Just for saying

The ability is based on the memories of the opponent, though, rather than the past.

Do you have scans on Bobobo's power nullification by law manipulation, plot manipulation and conceptual manipulation?

I don't have the scans for it, my phone broke. I know another user here who has scans for it, though, let me consult him.

^ Convieniant, if you're able to post comments, you can post scans.

1. Did you even bother to read the pages for Acausality and Time Paradox Immunity? Here let me do the leg work for you because you couldn't be bothered to read relevent sources for a websites you're active;y using: TPI : "A lesser form of Acausality, this ability is attributed to characters who can interact with others as per the laws of cause and effect but will not be affected by events that happen to their past selves. Hence, if they were killed in the past, it would not affect them in the future." Acausality : "Acausality is the ability to be unaffected by attacks reliant on cause and effect or changes to the past. For example, being killed or having one's history changed a significant amount of time in the past through Reality Warping will not affect an Acausal character in the present or future."

2. Nothing you have said has implied that Vecna's precog is worse than Bibibi's, only that Bibibi's goes further into the Future, not that it's more potent or that Bobobo could resist it.

3. No, not at all, nothing about it is a NLF, gasp, Spells can Negate Ressurection, the spells I listed negate Reality Warping Ressurection (Wish) and Absolute Ressurection (True Ressurection) even if both are used at the Higher spell slots of 25th spell level.

4. Yes, it is actually Conceptual and Plot Manipulation, as he'd be removed on a Conceptual level as a God, as well, when the entire Multiverse reset, so did all the plot, all the ideas, everything reset with it, things infact changed in 3rd Edition and so did the Plot as a whole.

5. However, unlike you, I have backed all my statements up with sources from "Die, Vecna, Die!" and the 3e Deities and Demigods Source guide, everything you said is from word of Mouth (Or text in this place. So, no, it doesn't "debunk" everything I've said, because you cannot debunk correctly sourced statements. Additionally, you seemed to forgot that significant Detail, that he has to turn the Reality he's into Bobobo world, which is very Important, as Vecna would instantly use Wail of the Banshee and would go for the Kill, additionally, he would do BFR, Ressurection Negation, Conceptual attacks, and use his secret technique to kill those whom he has the secrets of, since you've provided no sources to your claims that Bobobo could stop Vecna from seeing his past, and most of all from someone who is on par.

6. Good job Vecna can undo it all with just a thought.

7. It is, because Vecna can cast 16th level spells, for example, Demigods, who are seen as Mortals to Lesser Gods passively destroy a Seal which is holding the Multiverse together, so the Demigods have Multiversal+ AP passively by just existing, and they can only cast 9th tier magic, possibly 10th if they have high enough Intellect.

For further context, Wish spell is determined by it's user, so while a Mortal can say alter the face of reality itself, a Deity can casually preform that and much more, ignoring the fact they can cast it at higher spell levels, and even then the spell is said to have no limits. (No, this isn't a NFL, the spell, like I said, is based on whoever is casting it, so someone with low magical power can't do much with Wish if they somehow get it while someone with loads, like a God, can do a lot.)

Convieniant, if you're able to post comments, you can post scans.

Yeah, like a couple weeks ago, my phone broke and thus I lost like 1,000+ Bo-bobo scans. Do you think these chapters are scanlated or on any manga website? :/ My friend here does have the scans, so I don't understand where the complication exists. I think I might have also sent them to someone where I'd be able to find them, too.

Did you even bother to read the pages for Acausality and Time Paradox Immunity? Here let me do the leg work for you because you couldn't be bothered to read relevent sources for a websites you're active;y using: TPI : "A lesser form of Acausality, this ability is attributed to characters who can interact with others as per the laws of cause and effect but will not be affected by events that happen to their past selves. Hence, if they were killed in the past, it would not affect them in the future." Acausality : "Acausality is the ability to be unaffected by attacks reliant on cause and effect or changes to the past. For example, being killed or having one's history changed a significant amount of time in the past through Reality Warping will not affect an Acausal character in the present or future."

I'm aware of the differences, don't make me out to be ignorant just because you don't understand the differences, yourself. A basic Acausality is no better than having Time Paradox Immunity, they are just two different names that reach the same conclusion. I asked you to prove that his Acausality was greater than a basic Time Paradox Immunity, and you just quoted the fact that it is referred to as Acausality on his profile as evidence, which is circular reasoning.

No, not at all, nothing about it is a NLF, gasp, Spells can Negate Ressurection, the spells I listed negate Reality Warping Ressurection (Wish) and Absolute Ressurection (True Ressurection) even if both are used at the Higher spell slots of 25th spell level.

Do you think he could negate Reinhard's Resurrection, too? Again, give me the types of Resurrection he has been shown to negate. Bo-bobo has just traveled back from multiple afterlives, can come back from absorbing the life force of beings, or just coming back "on the next panel", or resurrecting himself with an item (specifically the Don Patch Keychain and then returning with the soul of a Death God).

Yes, it is actually Conceptual and Plot Manipulation, as he'd be removed on a Conceptual level as a God, as well, when the entire Multiverse reset, so did all the plot, all the ideas, everything reset with it, things infact changed in 3rd Edition and so did the Plot as a whole.

No evidence and only your word? k, thx, bye

However, unlike you, I have backed all my statements up with sources from "Die, Vecna, Die!" and the 3e Deities and Demigods Source guide, everything you said is from word of Mouth (Or text in this place. So, no, it doesn't "debunk" everything I've said, because you cannot debunk correctly sourced statements. Additionally, you seemed to forgot that significant Detail, that he has to turn the Reality he's into Bobobo world, which is very Important, as Vecna would instantly use Wail of the Banshee and would go for the Kill, additionally, he would do BFR, Ressurection Negation, Conceptual attacks, and use his secret technique to kill those whom he has the secrets of, since you've provided no sources to your claims that Bobobo could stop Vecna from seeing his past, and most of all from someone who is on par.

You say this as if I haven't quoted the exact battles he's performed these techniques in or something. And you say "would instantly use Wail of Banshee" as if I didn't also say Bo-bobo would start with Bo-bobo World be it the only thing he would have to win. "BFR, Resurrection Negation, Conceptual attacks, Death Manipulation", these are all things Bo-bobo can perform, as I've already went over throughout the thread. I also went over several instances of him resisting Precognition and Information Analysis (Giga, T-500, Goemon, Bi-bibi).

Good job Vecna can undo it all with just a thought.

No.

It is, because Vecna can cast 16th level spells, for example, Demigods, who are seen as Mortals to Lesser Gods passively destroy a Seal which is holding the Multiverse together, so the Demigods have Multiversal+ AP passively by just existing, and they can only cast 9th tier magic, possibly 10th if they have high enough Intellect.

So this is why Vecna is High 6-A as a Demigod on his profile?

For further context, Wish spell is determined by it's user, so while a Mortal can say alter the face of reality itself, a Deity can casually preform that and much more, ignoring the fact they can cast it at higher spell levels, and even then the spell is said to have no limits. (No, this isn't a NFL, the spell, like I said, is based on whoever is casting it, so someone with low magical power can't do much with Wish if they somehow get it while someone with loads, like a God, can do a lot.)

So are you proposing he's going to do something with it that he has never shown to be able to do with it, before?

1.) You can literally go to the some random manga site and get the fight, statements and sources are vastly different.

2. I like how you didn't even read the fact that it literally says in the page for TPI that: ""A lesser form of Acausality," I literally need not go on, if you can't understand such a basic sentence, then that is on you.

3. No, baseline, someone who is infinitely superior is totally immune to the effects of someone of a lower dimension, you'd know this if you bothered to read the site's rules and how many times the Mods and Admin literally say this.

Also, going back in time from the after life is pointless in the case of this fight, as it's a fight to the Death, once Bobobo dies and isn't able to come back via Self-Ressurection, he loses. If you wanted to extend the time, then I can say that Vecna is literally untouchable as he will both come back for being a god and will come back as long as he has God status, and the fact that he is a Lich and Lich come back as long as their phylactory is intact.

4. To remove a Conceptual being, you need conceptual manipulation, really basic thought process, not much to say. Also, the Iron stars at the end of the Universe are getting jealous about all this irony.

5. Thing is Vecna goes straight for the Kill, that's his thing, so he would go straight for Wail of the Banshee, which instantly kills without a saving throw. And because Vecna can use multiple spells that Negate ressurection, he'd stop Bobobo from ressurecting.

And no you stated several instances, well, just 1 with Bibibi who doesn't even have a profile on this site, but you have shown no proof to back up these claims, an argument without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. So, just like you said: "No evidence and only your word? k, thx, bye"

6. Actually, yes, it's literally Alter Reality, allow me to once again source my claims: https://imgur.com/a/SBrN17J Read it an weep. "The deity can change reality to suit itself. Benefit:This ability is similar to the wish spell. The deity merely thinks of something and then makes it so"

7. If you, once again, bothered to check the Dungeon and Dragon page, you'd see I'm actively already gone for a content revision, and naturally, I used sources once again to prove my statement as well.

8. You mean use the Wish spell on someone on his level? Yeah, he uses Alter Reality on Gods of Equal and Higher status, for example, Intermediate Gods.

You can literally go to the some random manga site and get the fight, statements and sources are vastly different.

Okay. Go to any manga site and look for Bo-bobo Chapter 160. I'll wait.

I like how you didn't even read the fact that it literally says in the page for TPI that: ""A lesser form of Acausality," I literally need not go on, if you can't understand such a basic sentence, then that is on you.

I'm aware. By that notion, someone with TPI also has Acausality. :/

No, baseline, someone who is infinitely superior is totally immune to the effects of someone of a lower dimension, you'd know this if you bothered to read the site's rules and how many times the Mods and Admin literally say this.

I do know this, evidently why I was using him as an example. Again, stop making me out to be ignorant, me using him as an example shows that I know this information that you're implying I don't know while simultaneously implying it is common knowledge. I think you're getting pretty condescending. My point was is that he shouldn't be able to negate all forms of Resurrection with just any usage of Resurrection Negation, sooo. And Bo-bobo's methods of Resurrection will all be able to be done within the 24 hours, death isn't where the fight ends.

To remove a Conceptual being, you need conceptual manipulation, really basic thought process, not much to say. Also, the Iron stars at the end of the Universe are getting jealous about all this irony.

Proof he was even a conceptual being? And hehe, haha, so funny.

Thing is Vecna goes straight for the Kill, that's his thing, so he would go straight for Wail of the Banshee, which instantly kills without a saving throw. And because Vecna can use multiple spells that Negate ressurection, he'd stop Bobobo from ressurecting.

But he both resists instant death and has different methods of Resurrection than the ones that Vecna has shown to negate.

And no you stated several instances, well, just 1 with Bibibi who doesn't even have a profile on this site, but you have shown no proof to back up these claims, an argument without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. So, just like you said: "No evidence and only your word? k, thx, bye"

Yeah, mind me, I have his profile made, I just haven't posted it, yet, among others.

Actually, yes, it's literally Alter Reality, allow me to once again source my claims: https://imgur.com/a/SBrN17J Read it an weep. "The deity can change reality to suit itself. Benefit:This ability is similar to the wish spell. The deity merely thinks of something and then makes it so"

Again, Bo-bobo has fought countless people who can reality warp by thinking, and can do it himself. Any Hajikelist can do that, and he is the greatest Hajikelist.

If you, once again, bothered to check the Dungeon and Dragon page, you'd see I'm actively already gone for a content revision, and naturally, I used sources once again to prove my statement as well.

Then we'll wait until that gets accepted.

You mean use the Wish spell on someone on his level? Yeah, he uses Alter Reality on Gods of Equal and Higher status, for example, Intermediate Gods.

No, I meant use it to perform abilities that he hasn't performed before.

Which version of Bobobo and which version of Vecna?

Strongest version of both.

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Which version of Bobobo and which version of Vecna?

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Serpent boosted Vecna as of die vecna die and landmine bobobo

Abstract Existence + Vecna having no Concept Manipulation

...What? both are abstract and have conceptual

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im here take my vote for Vecna FRA.

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