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The Nameless vs. Talion (Shadow of Mordor) (Post-Resurrection). Since I don't known the potential of Talion's Death Manipulation, I'm going to restrict John's right arm (limitation can be removed if it is necessary). Speed is equalized.
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The Nameless Vs. Talion
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So, can Talion insta-kill by touching its target? It just causing the target death, or it wipes the soul or similar? The first one wouldn't work on John.
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Mmm, and I guess that do not have any restriction? If not, I guess I'll allow John to use his right arm, then it could go either way.
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Welp, John was recently upgraded to Mountain level, so this is now unless it changed to EoG Talion.
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Talion:
+ M I N D H A X (as well as similar things such as Morality Manip)
+ Ultimately has better resurrection
+ Immortality granted by Wraith Boye
Nameless:
+ Obvious AP advantage is obvious, and Talion isn't super high into 7-A (251 Megatons IIRC)
+ Insta-kill hax
+ TYPE 5 IMMORTALITY RED ALERT
Verdict:
Can Nameless affect Wraith Boye? If so, he can effectively kill Talion, since Wraith Boye is what keeps him alive. It seems like he can, via Non-Physical Interaction. It isn't like The Hunter, where Talion has a better chance to win right off the bat- between an AP advantage and equal insta-death hax, as well as being effectively immune to traditional death, Nameless should be able to permanently put down Talion.
+ M I N D H A X (as well as similar things such as Morality Manip)
+ Ultimately has better resurrection
+ Immortality granted by Wraith Boye
Nameless:
+ Obvious AP advantage is obvious, and Talion isn't super high into 7-A (251 Megatons IIRC)
+ Insta-kill hax
+ TYPE 5 IMMORTALITY RED ALERT
Verdict:
Can Nameless affect Wraith Boye? If so, he can effectively kill Talion, since Wraith Boye is what keeps him alive. It seems like he can, via Non-Physical Interaction. It isn't like The Hunter, where Talion has a better chance to win right off the bat- between an AP advantage and equal insta-death hax, as well as being effectively immune to traditional death, Nameless should be able to permanently put down Talion.
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Hmm.... Both have equally good hax, but the Nameless has a massive AP advantage and can just one-shot him.
Also Nameless' insta-death hax has to come in contact with Talion and appareantly rarely uses it in-character meanwhile Talion mindhaxes him and is both perfectly in-character for him to do so and can use it in a distance.
I may vote Inconclusive since this ist a "Who-haxxes-first" scenario, but I won't disregard Nameless' AP though.
Also Nameless' insta-death hax has to come in contact with Talion and appareantly rarely uses it in-character meanwhile Talion mindhaxes him and is both perfectly in-character for him to do so and can use it in a distance.
I may vote Inconclusive since this ist a "Who-haxxes-first" scenario, but I won't disregard Nameless' AP though.
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Nameless have non-physical interection, so he can interact with a wraith, unless Boye in far from the battlefield.
Yes, the Nameless needs to attack with his right arm (or a weapon while wielded by his right arm) in order to perma-kill, however, he has another ability to kill everyone in the surroundings but is not permanent and immotal beings (like absolute immortals) wouldn't die just become very weak.
Yes, the Nameless needs to attack with his right arm (or a weapon while wielded by his right arm) in order to perma-kill, however, he has another ability to kill everyone in the surroundings but is not permanent and immotal beings (like absolute immortals) wouldn't die just become very weak.
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If he can hit the Wraith possessing Talion it should be enough, since that's what keeps Talion resurrecting. Even without auto-death he has the AP to do it. The main issue is the possibility of mindhax.
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Talion is the one allowed to be in control, always thought. Wraith boye left him in the dirt at the end of the second game.
Still, I get whatcha mean. Possession is more of a filler term of "This thing lives inside of this other thing".
Still, I get whatcha mean. Possession is more of a filler term of "This thing lives inside of this other thing".
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